718 GT4?
07-09-2019, 07:17 PM
#8041
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So...a 4.0L, 8,000 RPM newly develop engine just for a GT (for the moment) product but without the center radiator? At least I can't see it on the top picture.
You are going to take the center piece of the new GT models and give it to a non GT model for less $$$?
I find it a bit hard to believe PAG will actually do that but we can wait and see.
You are going to take the center piece of the new GT models and give it to a non GT model for less $$$?
I find it a bit hard to believe PAG will actually do that but we can wait and see.
If Porsche is going spend the money to develop a (mostly) new engine, they certainly wouldn't want to limit it to just for it's lowest priced GT cars. In addition, it is clear that it's not that "special", as Andreas Preuninger himself said, it's an engine that can/will be mass produced. He said the GT4/Spyder target price wouldn't justify using to the GT3 engine, with its dry sump, exotic materials and a 9,000 RPM redline.
In addition, much of the appeal of the GT cars are the aero, suspension and tires that are focused on track/ultimate performance. I certainly think there is a large market of people that would spend $95k-$100K for a more street oriented 4.0 N/A 718. I think it will even move people from the 911's to the 718's, as it would be the only N/A non-GT cars offered in the lineup.
07-09-2019, 07:19 PM
#8042
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So...a 4.0L, 8,000 RPM newly develop engine just for a GT (for the moment) product but without the center radiator? At least I can't see it on the top picture.
You are going to take the center piece of the new GT models and give it to a non GT model for less $$$?
I find it a bit hard to believe PAG will actually do that but we can wait and see.
You are going to take the center piece of the new GT models and give it to a non GT model for less $$$?
I find it a bit hard to believe PAG will actually do that but we can wait and see.
07-09-2019, 07:36 PM
#8043
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So...a 4.0L, 8,000 RPM newly develop engine just for a GT (for the moment) product but without the center radiator? At least I can't see it on the top picture.
You are going to take the center piece of the new GT models and give it to a non GT model for less $$$?
I find it a bit hard to believe PAG will actually do that but we can wait and see.
You are going to take the center piece of the new GT models and give it to a non GT model for less $$$?
I find it a bit hard to believe PAG will actually do that but we can wait and see.
07-09-2019, 08:25 PM
#8044
The GTS (and the cars pictured above) have a third center radiator.
If Porsche is going spend the money to develop a (mostly) new engine, they certainly wouldn't want to limit it to just for it's lowest priced GT cars. In addition, it is clear that it's not that "special", as Andreas Preuninger himself said, it's an engine that can/will be mass produced. He said the GT4/Spyder target price wouldn't justify using to the GT3 engine, with its dry sump, exotic materials and a 9,000 RPM redline.
In addition, much of the appeal of the GT cars are the aero, suspension and tires that are focused on track/ultimate performance. I certainly think there is a large market of people that would spend $95k-$100K for a more street oriented 4.0 N/A 718. I think it will even move people from the 911's to the 718's, as it would be the only N/A non-GT cars offered in the lineup.
If Porsche is going spend the money to develop a (mostly) new engine, they certainly wouldn't want to limit it to just for it's lowest priced GT cars. In addition, it is clear that it's not that "special", as Andreas Preuninger himself said, it's an engine that can/will be mass produced. He said the GT4/Spyder target price wouldn't justify using to the GT3 engine, with its dry sump, exotic materials and a 9,000 RPM redline.
In addition, much of the appeal of the GT cars are the aero, suspension and tires that are focused on track/ultimate performance. I certainly think there is a large market of people that would spend $95k-$100K for a more street oriented 4.0 N/A 718. I think it will even move people from the 911's to the 718's, as it would be the only N/A non-GT cars offered in the lineup.
Of course all of this is speculation...
But since we can't do it anymore on the 718 GT4 what the hell!IMO this new engine has a better chance to be used again on the 992 than on a regular 718......look at it this way: The 981 GT4 used the engine of the 991.1 to make it "somewhat" special, you couldn't get another 981 with that engine.
In this case it may be the other way around, going into a specific 992 model with turbos.
So if you use the same engine, even if you de-tune it, it's still the 4.0L and on a lower non GT model.....it just doesn't fit with Porsche model hierarchy and a sales and marketing waste.
Don't see many regular non GT 991s with GT3 engines...it's part of the appeal of a GT car and why we end up paying more $$$$.
Then you have the pricing issue.....if you want a regular Cayman with a 4.0L with close to GT4 output for $10K less....wouldn't it make more sense to just buy the GT4?
Just my opinion, and again I would take with a grain of salt what any Internet or Magazine said about all this....haven't seen many videos of this car lately.
07-09-2019, 08:28 PM
#8045
I know, no need for the top vent...but....It's an aluminum radiator like on the side...you would be able to see part of it on that top picture....also the front opening would be bigger as it takes all that area.
07-09-2019, 08:36 PM
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The official time is 7.28 around the Nordshleife for the 718 GT4. That is around 12 seconds faster than the 981 GT4! The sum of all its small improvements adds up to quite large changes in lap times (more than just a tire or resurface). Nice overall improvement on the .1 car. The PDK (confirmed late 2020) will we be quicker again. Wait for the reviews to come in after the press release in Scotland.
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07-09-2019, 08:39 PM
#8047
The official time is 7.18 around the Nordshleife for the 718 GT4. That is around 12 seconds faster than the 981 GT4! The sum of all its small improvements adds up to quite large changes in lap times (more than just a tire or resurface). Nice overall improvement on the .1 car. The PDK (confirmed late 2020) will we be quicker again. Wait for the reviews to come in after the press release in Scotland.
07-09-2019, 08:43 PM
#8048
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Wasnt the official time for the 981 gt4 7:42?
07-09-2019, 08:45 PM
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07-09-2019, 08:46 PM
#8050
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So the 7:18 cited above is 22 sec faster!! Cant be right. Where can I find that run?
07-09-2019, 08:46 PM
#8051
981 GT4 did NBR in 7:40, link. Manthey alignment mods shaved 13 sec of that time. Now the 718 GT4 uses newer tire tech and NBR was repaved in sections. All of that leads to a faster NBR times. But I seriously doubt the posted time by GP Racing since PAG only claims a 10 sec improvement over the 981 GT4.
07-09-2019, 08:54 PM
#8052
981 GT4 did NBR in 7:40, link. Manthey alignment mods shaved 13 sec of that time. Now the 718 GT4 uses newer tire tech and NBR was repaved in sections. All of that leads to a faster NBR times. But I seriously doubt the posted time by GP Racing since PAG only claims a 10 sec improvement over the 981 GT4.
07-09-2019, 09:12 PM
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Same engine, detuned by 20hp if they must, cheaper & lighter X73 suspension, narrower cheaper wheels and tires for less grip, smaller lighter cheaper brakes. Or just offer an auto-top Touring option for the Spyder a la wingless Touring option for the GT3 with no price discount. Any of these would work.
07-09-2019, 09:14 PM
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That’s probably a typo. A Porsche marketing PDF for the GT4 that I read today explicitly said 7:28 as the official ring time.
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