718 GT4?
#4441
#4442
I’m being told in Canada not to worry about the 3rd gear as Porsche will fix out of warranty, too. I don’t know how accurate that is but people in the know are saying it.
Im not worried. Every car has something that tends to go wrong and Id rather this transmission than most of the other Porsche problems.
Im not worried. Every car has something that tends to go wrong and Id rather this transmission than most of the other Porsche problems.
#4443
Third gear is a go to gear - it is welded and not splined - sub par - the reason Porsche replace the whole box is because when a cog goes it sprays metal fillings through the box - knock effects etc.
Not a case of IF, if you push the cars as one should be able to do in a GT car. As per the marketing (I have become completely cynical about this as I know from experience that most modern 981/991 GT cars are polished and not driven hard - Porsche know this too)
Not good enough really - the failure rate as a percentage of production is high and everyone understands this.
As I said, if Porsche are straight they will put it in writing e.g. Acknowledge the design flaw in the third gear and offer to replace the box when it fails - it's been done hundreds of times already.
They won't do this as they are part of VAG a company that is clearly ethically compromised to such an extent that senior executives are being prosecuted.
Appalling lack of leadership.
Not a case of IF, if you push the cars as one should be able to do in a GT car. As per the marketing (I have become completely cynical about this as I know from experience that most modern 981/991 GT cars are polished and not driven hard - Porsche know this too)
Not good enough really - the failure rate as a percentage of production is high and everyone understands this.
As I said, if Porsche are straight they will put it in writing e.g. Acknowledge the design flaw in the third gear and offer to replace the box when it fails - it's been done hundreds of times already.
They won't do this as they are part of VAG a company that is clearly ethically compromised to such an extent that senior executives are being prosecuted.
Appalling lack of leadership.
Last edited by groundhog; 12-15-2018 at 08:03 AM.
#4444
#4445
Hmm. I'm still contemplating whether I should go back to a GT4 when this comes out or if I will be disappointed again in the lack of power having recently owned a McLaren 12C and 997 Turbo. A turbo engine would be perfect bc then I can tune it.
#4446
New car price
i wouldn’t be too sure of that occurring in Aus, imo the 718 will move up from the 981 4 (when new) price by circa $40k so the price gap will still be significant between 981 and 718. It’s likely the 981Spyder will take a bigger hit given it’s current ask in the used market.
i wouldn’t be too sure of that occurring in Aus, imo the 718 will move up from the 981 4 (when new) price by circa $40k so the price gap will still be significant between 981 and 718. It’s likely the 981Spyder will take a bigger hit given it’s current ask in the used market.
#4447
if people are that worried about 3rd gear they’d pay 2k for another 2 years warranty. I’d say the reason there’s so many GT4’s for sale compared to GTS’s is a combination he fact the GT4 well outsold the GTS and the GTS replacement isn’t popular as a turbo 4 so those who did buy a GTS are holding on.
#4448
So you believe there were 14 X more 981GT4s made than 981GTS . I think its more likely the market has spoken, over here a GT4 new was 225k a GT3 is 400k - very different to the US market where a GT3 is ~ 160k. At our price points buyers don't want the risk of failure (in a GT4 or 991.1 GT3). Its a matter of common sense in my view. Also, this is further compounded by the imminent release of the 718GT4. Why get caught holding a car out of warranty with a known problem.
With your approach, you’re going to deny yourself ownership of great cars just because they’re out of warranty.
#4449
No point defending the indefensible.
#4450
So you believe there were 14 X more 981GT4s made than 981GTS . I think its more likely the market has spoken, over here a GT4 new was 225k a GT3 is 400k - very different to the US market where a GT3 is ~ 160k. At our price points buyers don't want the risk of failure (in a GT4 or 991.1 GT3). Its a matter of common sense in my view. Also, this is further compounded by the imminent release of the 718GT4. Why get caught holding a car out of warranty with a known problem.
#4451
Rennlist Member
Any statistics on GT4 3rd gear failures? When “fixed” under warranty, is the fix done with a more robust solution or just replacement with the same problematic transmission? Is the 981 Spyder and Boxster vulnerable to the same problem (same transmission)?
#4453
10k to 15k fix for replacement - pointless when there's a new one being released in a few weeks time. Most vehicles fail eventually but these don't - they fail all the time - pointless exercise given the 981GT4 is has been well and truly bypassed by many others including the 718GT4 - moreover they won't retain value unless Porsche does what it should have done a long time ago. Commercial reality - hold Porsche to task.
No point defending the indefensible.
Just get yourself a Lexus - I hear not much goes wrong on those!
#4454
Drifting
I wanted a 12c so badly when I bought my GT4. I just couldn’t bring myself to do it. Al the time GT4s were c$130k and 12c on a good deal was c$185k. That gap has closed ALOT. Minimum service costs with warranty totalled $11k a year in the 12c too. Between that and the feared depreciation curve, I couldn’t stomach it and bought the GT4. Still want a McLaren badly.
#4455
Rennlist Member
i think that it depends on how you drive and where you get your thrills. I had a high power tuned 996turbo before the GT4 and used so little of what power was available that who cares what the peak was. GT4 power is super usable on the street. I don’t have that OMG shift to hyper speed moment that the turbo had merging into a highway or something, but I find GT4 power plenty for my use and I don’t miss the excess power. But I didn’t use it - you may.
I wanted a 12c so badly when I bought my GT4. I just couldn’t bring myself to do it. Al the time GT4s were c$130k and 12c on a good deal was c$185k. That gap has closed ALOT. Minimum service costs with warranty totalled $11k a year in the 12c too. Between that and the feared depreciation curve, I couldn’t stomach it and bought the GT4. Still want a McLaren badly.