981.2 GT4
12-21-2016, 01:06 AM
#91
Nordschleife Master
Agree that price is a potential concern if they go the GT3 engine route. Hopefully it stays in check. The GT4 is now what the GT3/RS used to be, that is, a track day king. The RS has been price bloated and mostly overtaken by speculators and hand wringers so they are rarely used on track these days.
12-21-2016, 01:44 AM
#92
1. Here's a summary of a talk that Porsche GT boss Andreas Preuninger gave at Rennsport V in September of 2015 (by well-connected RLer Eduardo) where he talks about retaining NA engines in the GT3 and GT4 cars "for the foreseeable future".
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...reuninger.html
2. Here's an interview with Preuninger from March 2016 where he strongly hints at a NA 718 GT4:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche...lat-six-engine
3. And here's an interview with August Achleitner, a Porsche exec, from July 2016 where he confirms a NA 718 GT4:
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/p...19-gq9c92.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...reuninger.html
2. Here's an interview with Preuninger from March 2016 where he strongly hints at a NA 718 GT4:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche...lat-six-engine
3. And here's an interview with August Achleitner, a Porsche exec, from July 2016 where he confirms a NA 718 GT4:
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/p...19-gq9c92.html
We keep this line of naturally-aspirated engines in the GT3 and GT3 RS and so on, as well as GT4, we will develop it.
I don't know why some people are getting riled up at the possibility of the next GT4 staying NA. It's not like any GT3 in the past has shared an engine with the regular 911. Why does the GT4 have to share an engine with the cayman?
Those that bought the car thinking it would be some 'keeper' collector because it is the last NA and manual are going to be in for a rude awakening.
Those that bought the car thinking it would be some 'keeper' collector because it is the last NA and manual are going to be in for a rude awakening.
12-21-2016, 01:57 AM
#93
Burning Brakes
It's no press release (and until a press release is issued anything can change!), but words out of the mouths of the head of the GT division and a separate VP of the company are infinitely more official than any speculation going on in this forum. Those three interviews represent the most concrete evidence we have about the next GT4 to date. Disregarding them in favor of hunches or what you secretly hope will come to pass is... odd.
Last edited by Ferrarisimo; 12-21-2016 at 04:11 AM.
12-21-2016, 04:44 AM
#94
Racer
It's no press release (and until a press release is issued anything can change!), but words out of the mouths of the head of the GT division and a separate VP of the company are infinitely more official than any speculation going on in this forum. Those three interviews represent the most concrete evidence we have about the next GT4 to date. Disregarding them in favor of hunches or what you secretly hope will come to pass is... odd.
I am pretty convinced the next GT4 will stay NA. At least from the information presented so far from the GT division.
12-21-2016, 01:22 PM
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I just want the additional cost put into gearbox, weight savings, power and dedicated Cayman performance bits. Hope it stays NA but gets another 75hp-100hp+ and 1500rpm. I would be an enthusiastic buyer for a 500hp/450tq cayman that goes to 8500rpm and weighs 2800ish wet.
12-21-2016, 01:43 PM
#98
Nordschleife Master
Originally Posted by AfricanHunter
I would be an enthusiastic buyer for a 500hp/450tq cayman that goes to 8500rpm and weighs 2800ish wet.
12-21-2016, 02:06 PM
#99
Three Wheelin'
If we ignore number of cylinders and na vs turbo for a second, I think it's safe to say we won't see some massive increase in HP for the next GT4. At the extreme we could see a 30-40hp bump from the 981 to the 982 GT4 which means an engine around 425-435 hp which is right in the range of an X51 3.8 or maybe an amped up turbo 4.
The X51 3.8 is a proven product already so engineering would be minimal and the cost is probably not too different from the current 3.8. Cranking up the turbo 4 beyond 400hp is probably a decent amount of engineering but at least it fits the new product line-up and advances development of the new turbo 4 engine for future models. Detuning the GT3 engine is likely the most amount of development work with the least benefit internally since it's essentially going backwards with little to no application in future models.
It's true though, secretly I do hope the next GT4 doesn't have the 3.8 from the GT3 cause then it means I have to go through all the dealer waitlist and mark-up BS all over again cause I will NEED one...
The X51 3.8 is a proven product already so engineering would be minimal and the cost is probably not too different from the current 3.8. Cranking up the turbo 4 beyond 400hp is probably a decent amount of engineering but at least it fits the new product line-up and advances development of the new turbo 4 engine for future models. Detuning the GT3 engine is likely the most amount of development work with the least benefit internally since it's essentially going backwards with little to no application in future models.
It's true though, secretly I do hope the next GT4 doesn't have the 3.8 from the GT3 cause then it means I have to go through all the dealer waitlist and mark-up BS all over again cause I will NEED one...
12-21-2016, 02:31 PM
#100
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It's nice to have a wish list, but it's important to understand that what you're asking for would necessitate a full carbon tub supercar that costs around $1MM and would destroy Porsche's efforts to meet fuel consumption and emissions limits in the near future.
12-21-2016, 03:16 PM
#101
Three Wheelin'
all I know is I just put my name down for the new gt4. #1 on the allocation list! See what its like at unveiling but believe these cars could go another 20%+ more on msrp and still sell out.
I just want the additional cost put into gearbox, weight savings, power and dedicated Cayman performance bits. Hope it stays NA but gets another 75hp-100hp+ and 1500rpm. I would be an enthusiastic buyer for a 500hp/450tq cayman that goes to 8500rpm and weighs 2800ish wet.
I just want the additional cost put into gearbox, weight savings, power and dedicated Cayman performance bits. Hope it stays NA but gets another 75hp-100hp+ and 1500rpm. I would be an enthusiastic buyer for a 500hp/450tq cayman that goes to 8500rpm and weighs 2800ish wet.
If there are dealers taking MSRP deposits, let me know!
12-21-2016, 03:50 PM
#102
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Actually, it's embarrassing, but the way Porsche has been de-tuning its NA engines recently (like the 10hp difference between 981 Boxster and Cayman for instance) is just to keep the e-throttle from opening all the way. It's a pretty easy (if cynical) software effort.
12-21-2016, 05:49 PM
#103
Three Wheelin'
12-23-2016, 02:32 AM
#104
Even Sonnen? I left one with Brett Payne in June 2015 and he said I was #2 on the list.
12-23-2016, 02:41 AM
#105
Three Wheelin'