Your Prediction: NEXT GT4 Engine
10-31-2017, 03:22 PM
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10-31-2017, 03:25 PM
#47
Burning Brakes
A lot of good info here. I think the key has start on the track. Despite the GT4 winning the GS class, it was clear they lacked grunt. This trend will be exacerbated with BMW M4 GT4 and Mercedes AMG GT GT4 incoming. More power is needed.
I really wish the toe-stepping 'issue' was no longer an issue. Other car companies don't seem to hold as rigid a hierarchy and I don't see the House of Cards tumbling down (too soon?). Do we really think people cross-shopping a leather lined, sunroofed, Burmester-blasting 991.2 CS (not that theres anything wrong with that) would be upset if a small winged GT4 had more of an angry bark? Would GT3s start collecting dust on the lots if the GT4 had 450hp and a $110k price point? No, Porsche would still sell every single one of them all.
I would obviously love to see our mid-engine platform receive a fire-breather of a power plant. With the introduction of turbocharging across the range, it really opens things up for a big bump in n/a power to keep up. Hopefully we see it, rather than the standard incremental increase.
In the meantime, 19k miles of smiles in my GT4...
I really wish the toe-stepping 'issue' was no longer an issue. Other car companies don't seem to hold as rigid a hierarchy and I don't see the House of Cards tumbling down (too soon?). Do we really think people cross-shopping a leather lined, sunroofed, Burmester-blasting 991.2 CS (not that theres anything wrong with that) would be upset if a small winged GT4 had more of an angry bark? Would GT3s start collecting dust on the lots if the GT4 had 450hp and a $110k price point? No, Porsche would still sell every single one of them all.
I would obviously love to see our mid-engine platform receive a fire-breather of a power plant. With the introduction of turbocharging across the range, it really opens things up for a big bump in n/a power to keep up. Hopefully we see it, rather than the standard incremental increase.
In the meantime, 19k miles of smiles in my GT4...
10-31-2017, 03:53 PM
#48
On the off chance that Porsche is reading this forum, if you build a 2018 or 2019 GT4RS with a detuned 4L making 440 HP and PDK-S, you can take my money right now. Though I greatly enjoy the manual in my car, I'm not the purist that many others are - perhaps because I have enjoyed tracking my car far more than I ever thought I would, and yes, I like chasing those last couple of tenths. My Brembo rotors and Forgelines and toe links, etc. will probably bolt right on to the new car. It's a no brainer. I bought/love my GT4 for the car that it is and the value, strange as that is to say, and I think that the car I described at $120K is still a heckuva value - and also barely under what I can afford. I can't do $160K for a GT3.
And putting $20K of headers, plenums, tunes, diffs, and gears into my GT4 and having those improvements be worth just a fraction of that when I sell it is not a great value proposition UNLESS it was a "yep, this is my final p-car" -- and I'm not ready to say that.
If you offer a turbo 4, it will have to have a LOT going for it to get another check from me. The sound is a big part of the excitement value.
C'mon, Andreas. You know what to do here. Build it and they will come.
And putting $20K of headers, plenums, tunes, diffs, and gears into my GT4 and having those improvements be worth just a fraction of that when I sell it is not a great value proposition UNLESS it was a "yep, this is my final p-car" -- and I'm not ready to say that.
If you offer a turbo 4, it will have to have a LOT going for it to get another check from me. The sound is a big part of the excitement value.
C'mon, Andreas. You know what to do here. Build it and they will come.
10-31-2017, 04:04 PM
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If they put the 4.0L in the GT4 with just over 400hp and lower redline, I would guess they'd swap the Titanium Conrods for something cheaper. And I wonder if they'd keep the dry sump?
10-31-2017, 05:39 PM
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10-31-2017, 05:42 PM
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Racer
Prepare for Turbo and a 118k Baseline with PDK. That's what I hear over here. The smart folks will be keeping an eye on a certain site... to see if Stuttgart local GT4s go dry, which will signal the turbo is coming. (we all assume it over here due Euro6b)
10-31-2017, 06:07 PM
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10-31-2017, 06:38 PM
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10-31-2017, 06:48 PM
#56
Racer
The other possibility would be reading the rulebook of the GT4 series and see where the advantage lays. Can a 2.5T make 385 with more torque? And less consumption? Increasing displacement sounds silly.
10-31-2017, 09:14 PM
#58
"Please put in a detuned GT3 engine" - COBB
10-31-2017, 09:34 PM
#59
Not much logic around here lol.. why some of you guys blindly believe salesman that know less than we do...
As the GT4 & manual GT3 prove, Porsche listens to customers. EVERYONE is griping about the sound of the 718 so it's unlikely they would risk the new legendary lineage of the GT4 even if it hasn't already been said the next one will be atmospheric. They put a lot of work into the new 4.0, just as they did with the 911R gearbox. Read between the lines.
And someone pointed out earlier that GT4 demand was partially propped up due to the manual gearbox and VIP take rate. Consider that Porsche's retaliation to modern speculation/flipping is to build more GT3's, there will be enough cars (eventually). There were a handful of GT4's available to those who wanted one towards the end of production, and when people move on to their 991.2 and 982's there will be more 981's up for grabs which will slow the fervor too.
PS: they did not lose money on GT4's - they doubled production due to demand. It was also NOT underpriced; ~$100k for 385hp was already reaching and despite what you read, there were owners who sold their GT4's because it wasn't fast enough for the money compared to other choices in the same price range. Finally don't forget the development of the 981 GT4 carried over to the 718's in production now.
As the GT4 & manual GT3 prove, Porsche listens to customers. EVERYONE is griping about the sound of the 718 so it's unlikely they would risk the new legendary lineage of the GT4 even if it hasn't already been said the next one will be atmospheric. They put a lot of work into the new 4.0, just as they did with the 911R gearbox. Read between the lines.
And someone pointed out earlier that GT4 demand was partially propped up due to the manual gearbox and VIP take rate. Consider that Porsche's retaliation to modern speculation/flipping is to build more GT3's, there will be enough cars (eventually). There were a handful of GT4's available to those who wanted one towards the end of production, and when people move on to their 991.2 and 982's there will be more 981's up for grabs which will slow the fervor too.
PS: they did not lose money on GT4's - they doubled production due to demand. It was also NOT underpriced; ~$100k for 385hp was already reaching and despite what you read, there were owners who sold their GT4's because it wasn't fast enough for the money compared to other choices in the same price range. Finally don't forget the development of the 981 GT4 carried over to the 718's in production now.
10-31-2017, 09:51 PM
#60
Drifting
1) it was not $100k, it was $85k. Sure, you could option it up to the sky, but if price matters to you, it was $85k.
2) 385hp in a Porsche Motorsports Division GT car for $85,000 isn't a good deal? How does that compare to the 2016 concurrent 400hp (also heavier) Carrera S at $100,000? Or the GT3 with 90 more horsepower for $47,000 more dollars at the time? Or the GT3RS with 115 more hp for $95,000 more dollars?
Sure, the 385hp 3.8 GT4 isn't going to outrun a GT350R for that price, nor a Camaro ZL1. But then, neither is the GT3. Porsches are shopped against other Porsches. Expensive Porsches are shopped against McLarens. Cheap Porsches aren't shopped against Mustangs, at least not in the vast majority of cases.
Cheers!