All of the above, spot on.

The brass has been publicly clear that it will be NA, which means flat six. Rumor has it that the price hike will be significant—everyone knows the 981 GT4 was a bargain last time around, and the prices seen on the GT4 database for ordered cars only seems to underline the idea that customers saw it as a $95,000-115,000 product under the $130,000-150,000 991.1 GT3. And now the 991.2 GT3 has climbed again and the order books are full....

 

anyone see the pics and vid in other parts of the forum of a turbo cup car testing? or a turbo something on slicks with lexan windows... not sure if it has anything to do with the gt4, but is foreshadowing some sort of turbo race car. some comments in the other thread are for a GT4 class competitor

 

The 981 GT4 was the first of it's kind, just 999 came to the US and was manual only. It was a very special car. The 718 GT4 will probably be just another GT car and will probably come with a PDK as well. Dealerships sell GT3s with high markups and there are people queuing up to buy them even though they are not as limited as the GT4 was.The new GT3 still got a modest bump in price.

I think this is what will happen with the new GT4. It will be closer to 90K than 100K base.

 

$115000 was those that loaded the **** out of them. Its not representative of the real world, minimal owners or dealer specced. Comparing it to the GT3 is really not applicable with the 3 models it compromises: PDK, manual & touring. Order books have always been full for the GT3 so what is the point mentioning it?

 

And quite a few did. Notice I mentioned a big ol' range of $95-115k. Quite a few fell into that range when I studied the GT4 database. I was surprised how many GT4s were 98-105~, and how few GT4s were in the 80s. Suspect PAG looked at that, as well.

Imho, very applicable due to similar audience. There are a lot of 997 GT3 and 991.1 GT3 customers who "came down" to the GT4 (or added one), and are now 991.2 GT3 customers. Point in mentioning order books being full is that many of today's GT3 (and GT?) customers do not seem to be deterred by significant price increases. A 2004 GT3 started at $99,900. A 2018 GT4 starts at $143,600. Just a few years ago, a 2014 GT3 had an MSRP of $131,350.

 

Corrected.

True, but IMHO a lot of them came to the GT4 because of the GT3.1 engine problem as well as the availability of a manual. Now that GT3.2 has manual again they are going back. This could be a false positive that only time will tell. The $45k difference that existed back then might be reduced somewhat but not nearly as much as everybody thinks. The GT4 customer, not a GT3 customer stepping down, might not be willing to spend a significant increase without a significant increase in performance (which PAG is artificially limiting as we know). PAG also wants to maintain the entry price point into racing more affordable with the GT4CS due to the increased price point of the GT3 Cup

 

Agree that the 4.0 would make the most sense but that would seem to push the base price near 100k.

Could make for an epic car though....

 

Just a quick commentary and thought.....So as a reference BMW decided to shake things up when the X5M was produced and it was a turbo motor. All M enthusiast saw 2 definite problems here.....(1) a M SAV and (2) a turbo M vehicle. This was suppose to be the straw to break the M divisions back. Well that didn't happen so the M division moves forward and scraps the S65 motor (last N/A M car) for a turbo. Again, all thought the M division had lost it's marbles. Let's not forget about the fake exhaust sound that's pumped in through the sound system. I say all of this to say......there's some great reading and speculation in the above post, but if the next GT4 happens to be a turbo motor do you honestly think the allocations won't get sucked up quick? As for the 981 price point, as a new Porsche owner I was shocked when the final price was announced. I was always a Cayman fan but leaving a 480hp (FBO) M3 for one wasn't going to happen. When the speculation for the GT4 started to circulate I was all in. And I definitely jumped quick when I could spec mine for 100 large. So I would venture to guess that a 718 GT4 or GT4RS will sell no matter what engine. There are always new owners lurking in the shadows to jump in when the offering checks the boxes for them. I'm sure PAG will evaluate the current market and try to position the car just as it did this one. One thing I definitely agree with, the price is going north for sure.......Phil

 

^^ Absolutely correct. Porsche can realize cost savings through economies of scope. Sharing parts with other product lines will save manufacturer costs as well as service costs (keeping parts for 3.8L just for one car? and a limited production one as well.)

My personal opinion is that it will be the 4.0L low friction bottom end of the GT3 with a lower flowing intake system. Will use excuse of not being able to fit the 500hp engine into 718 engine compartment. The lower intake flow will detune it to 415-435hp and lower its redline to 8k.

Spoke to 2 dealers that both said the next release will be a GT4RS 4.0L PDK track monster. When asked if it will come with manual option, they said they havent heard anything official...yet. After the GT3T announcement, wouldnt surprise me one bit.

 

Or maybe there wont be another GT4.
I heard Porsche made a big loss on this one.

 

My guess is a detuned version of the NA 4.0 with a 25 hp gain over the outgoing 3.8 putting it just over 400hp. Also I would not be shocked if PDK was offered as an option.

 

One thing I think is fairly certain. The GT4 was underpriced. Probably also fair to say that demand exceeded initial expectations. So, a new GT4 variant with higher performance will likely have a base price over $100k?, with options, could be looking at $120k+???? Probably the higher the performance, the higher the price.


Seems like Porsche will have to consider the performance and cost of the next GT4 relative to the 991.2 GT3. Can't blur the lines too much....

 

Its amazing on the different sub forums how much time is dedicated to speculation.. and how many people ask others how to spec their car and are constantly ordering options for the next buyer.

 

How can they make a relatively nice profit on a base Cayman but lose money on a GT4 that costs nearly the same to build but sells for double the amount?

 

Those are barely inflationary annual price increases. The reason there's so much demand for the GT3, aside from the ridiculous equity market/cheap credit bubble we're in, is because the GT3 is significantly underpriced at its current MSRP.