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[FAQ] - EV and Hybrid's owner's guide to home charging…
This keeps coming up - so I thought I'd post this - mostly this is not a FAQ - but rather a collection of "existing" threads that are sometimes superficial or alternately very very deep treatment on the topic of "home charging".
I will preface this with some "advice". Home charging for a hybrid is no different than home charging for a "FULL EV" - and in my opinion there is more Hybrid/EV in your future not less - so in the spirit of let's do this only once, rather than multiple times over and over and over again as you acquire more hybrid/EV vehicles in the future - a little bit of "more than you need right now" so that well positioned for the future means you'll only have to do this "once" rather than incrementally again and again as your needs change with vehicle's with bigger batteries and faster home charging rates.
FACT: all of these EV chargers - called EVSE's (Electrical Vehicle Supply Equipment) are glorified on/off switches - not in fact chargers - they are therefore highly compatible with _ALL_ North American Hybrids/Full-EV's - you do not need to use a Porsche EVSE with a Porsche Hybrid/EV - also your Porsche EVSE should be able to charge your Tesla (but alas it can't but that's a bug not a feature).
All EVSE's for North America can charge all J-1772/NACS EV/Hybrid's - this is by design and required if you think about it - otherwise you wouldn't be able to charge your EV/Hybrid on a public EVSE when away from home. So honestly it doesn't matter which EVSE you're using to charge your Hybrid/EV - all you want is a reliable one that always works.
if you need to add a 220 circuit for your first EVSE I'd recommend getting as big a one as you can - 30 amp is my minimum recommendation - 50 is "normal" - 60/70/80/100 amps is better (future planning for multiple vehicle's charging overnight).
Your 2024 or later Cayenne comes with an included EVSE from Porsche and a default NEMA 14-50 power supply cable. This EVSE from Porsche will charge your Cayenne at a maximum rate of 9.6 kW on a 50 amp NEMA 14-50/6-50 outlet - that will fully charge your Cayenne Hybrid in about 3.5 hours or less…see photo below for screen shot of "standard equipment" listed on Porsche's North American website
The maximum charge rate of a '24 Cayenne is 11 kW - in North American that requires a 60 amp breaker and a hardwired EVSE (not the plug based mobile one included with the vehicle). There are numerous excellent choices for a wall mounted non-Mobile EVSE - including the excellent Porsche Wall Charger.
Investing in a well provisioned high quality wall mounted EVSE for your home garage is not a one time thing for one vehicle. It will work with _ALL_ your future EV's as well as your current EV and will outlast your vehicle purchase. The included mobile EVSE with the vehicle is good and 100% sufficient for most people's needs, but I prefer and recommend investing in a good fast high performance EVSE for current and future needs. The Taycan, Macan EV (and likely Cayenne EV and 718 EV) all have a maximum charge rate of 11 kW and the Taycan has an optional 19.2 kW maximum charge rate (100 amp breaker required for this).
Excellent EVSE's are $700 or less - and once you've hauled the electrician out and pulled the permits I'd humbly suggest get slightly more than you need setup in your garage so your future is easier and faster and you don't have to do this again.
What are my options?
Sufficient - 30 amp circuit - 5.7 kW charge rate - NEMA 14-30/6-30 outlet or hardwired EVSE - only do this if it's way way too expensive to add a 50 amp circuit - I do not recommend this but it will do in a pinch and is better than nothing if that's all your home's existing electrical panel can handle.
Normal - 50 amp circuit - 9.6 kW charge rate - NEMA 14-50/6-50 outlet or hardwired EVSE - this is normal and more than sufficient - 80% (or more of home EV charging setups are 50 amp circuits)
Extra - 60 amp circuit - 11 kW charge rate - hardwired EVSE only - this is for the enthusiasts and "those that 'know'" - matches max Charge rate of the Cayenne, Taycan, Macan, Tesla, Rivian and other EV's
Future Proofing - 70/80/100 amp circuit to a sub-panel - planning "ahead" to when you want to charge multiple EV/Hybrid's overnight with "no fuss" - new circuit to a sub panel in the garage, and your 1st EVSE added tot he sub panel - adding your 2nd/3rd EVSE will not require a permit or even necessarily an electrician's visit cause you've already "added" enough capacity to support multiple EVSE's for charger 2 or more vehicle's overnight
100 amp circuit is required to achieve Taycan's maximum charge rate of 19.2 kW with optional 19.2 kW charger from the factory
below are existing threads that have been well received - I seriously doubt you have any questions or thoughts that are not already covered in these threads - a deep read will answer all your questions and solve the most difficult of insomnia problems. The main message is a Hybrid is a mini-EV - and the charging setup you're installing today can/will also be the charging system for your eventual FULL EV…a little planning an you'll only do this once…
I'm happy to answer questions - but the following threads are quite useful and covers _ALL_ existing questions about Hybrid/EV home charging…start with the threads below and we'll go from there…
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/th...cc-pwcc.13886/ <--- a details history and factual journey documenting just how badly Porsche has screwed up their North American home EVSE offerings - Porsche EVSE's are really not your best choice
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/th...ging-kit.6812/ <--- the ultimate EV Road warrior EV charging kit - if you want to roam free and charge at _ANY_ NEMA plug you might encounter - this thread is for you - boy/girl scouts prepare - this level of preparation is not cheap and 2024 and beyond a kit like this is necessary like a fish needs a bike - but for those that must have the ability to charge _ANY WHERE_ with _ANY_ NEMA outlet this thread is for you.
Last edited by daveo4porsche; 07-27-2024 at 11:05 AM.
Recommended EVSE's for home install - you can use the included EVSE from Porsche - either a Prosche Mobile Charger Plug (PMC+) or Porsche Mobile Charger Connect (PMCC) - but those do not have the best reputation from 4 years of usage in Taycan community and as of date of this posting are under recall in North American for thermal overheating issues.
If you choose to eschew the included Porsche EVSE there are numerous high-quality affordable alternatives - and again all will work with your Hybrid/EV to charge them - they are all universal by design…
a partial list of alternative EVSE's are listed below - many of these have been in use by EV owner's for years and well understood, compatible, affordable, and deeply reliable:
Tesla Universal Wall Charger - 60 amp max power, NACS/J-1772 compatible - bulit-in adapter, WiFI, OTA updates, app, charging stats, multi-EV shared power load charging support
ChargePoint Flex - 70 amp max power, NACS or J-1772 swappable cable, WiFI, OTA updates, app, charging stats
WallBox - 60 amps max power - WiFI, OTA updates, app, charging stats
Porsche Wall Charger - 100 amps max power - WiFi, OTA updates, app, charging stats
Enphase/clipperCreek - 80 amp max power - simple, reliable, bullet proof, no fancy features
JuiceBox - great choice, many many people love their juice boxes
Autel - works great
other's - virtually anything other than the mobile Porsche EVSE's (PMC+/PMCC) are a good/great choice
Last edited by daveo4porsche; 07-27-2024 at 10:51 AM.
Question: Can I uses my Tesla Charger to charge my Porsche EV/Hybrid
Answer: Yes you can - just need an Adatper - there are many choices - TeslaTap is a good option
with NACS now a standard many people will be interested in J-1772 to NACS adapters, and vice versa - NACS to J-1772
Adapter link below allows a J-1772 vehicle to use an L1/L2 (not supercharger) Tesla NACS Charger
admin's if we do make this sticky- it should be a "x-forum" - it's a common /idential topic for Taycan, Macan EV, Cayenne, Panamera - and eventually the 718 EV and Cayenne EV
Hey Dave, not sure if this has been covered but thought I would add.
Your recommendation away from the Porsche charger was spot on, and I put a Chargepoint in my CO location. I just got back down to Texas and ripped out the Porsche one and installed another Chargepoint down here.
Here's the quirk: You can only have one Chargepoint Charger per email address. So if you have two of them you have to assign each to a different email address and then log in/log out on the app to control the secondary charger. A bit of a PITA, but still workable.
FWIW - pulled a 3000 pound UHaul trailer back with the 24 Hybrid S the 890 miles from Avon to Colleyville and came in just under 16 mpg. (the old 25 gallon tank would have been welcome on that trip...)
Hey Dave, not sure if this has been covered but thought I would add.
Your recommendation away from the Porsche charger was spot on, and I put a Chargepoint in my CO location. I just got back down to Texas and ripped out the Porsche one and installed another Chargepoint down here.
Here's the quirk: You can only have one Chargepoint Charger per email address. So if you have two of them you have to assign each to a different email address and then log in/log out on the app to control the secondary charger. A bit of a PITA, but still workable.
FWIW - pulled a 3000 pound UHaul trailer back with the 24 Hybrid S the 890 miles from Avon to Colleyville and came in just under 16 mpg. (the old 25 gallon tank would have been welcome on that trip...)
that is an interesting tid-bit - didn't know chargepoint can't have multiple EVSE's per-account - this is an excellent detail
I'm personally rocking 3 Tesla Universal Wall Chargers configured to share 100 amp breaker (80 amp charging capacity split 3 ways if necessary) -each charger has maximum 48 amp output each one on it's own 60 amp breaker.
Last edited by daveo4porsche; 07-26-2024 at 05:47 PM.
Great thread, well done and kudos for taking the time to put it together. 100% agree this should be a x-forum thread.
BTW, I have had a ChargePoint Flex in our garage for 2 years. It's hardwired on a 50 amp breaker, I charge my Polestar at 40amps and it works great. No issues at all.
Great thread, well done and kudos for taking the time to put it together. 100% agree this should be a x-forum thread.
BTW, I have had a ChargePoint Flex in our garage for 2 years. It's hardwired on a 50 amp breaker, I charge my Polestar at 40amps and it works great. No issues at all.
ChargePoint HW on a 60A breaker for our new PS2. I’m the same user name on the PS forum and saw you there as well.
07-26-2024, 12:34 PM
[FAQ] - EV and Hybrid's owner's guide to home charging…
