2019 Cayenne Battery
#346
My Dallas, TX area dealer, Park Place Porsche, service rep returned my call today. He said, "There is a software fix for the "Battery Low - Service Necessary" warning light." (Light came on last Saturday, voltage is 13.3 stationary and 13.5-6 when driving.)
He did call it a "recall" and no charge to update the software.
Further explaining the circuit board controller on the top of the battery is communicating with the vehicle and the error causes it to send the warning signal when the battery is actually doing well. He said they'd need the vehicle for about two hours to update the software.
Now, I did purchase a LiFePO4 battery charger and connect if under the hood. It tells me the battery is fully charged. This vehicle, in 4.5 years, has logged just under 10,000 miles. I will put the battery maintainer on the system frequently to help with the help of the battery PER the owner's manual.
He did call it a "recall" and no charge to update the software.
Further explaining the circuit board controller on the top of the battery is communicating with the vehicle and the error causes it to send the warning signal when the battery is actually doing well. He said they'd need the vehicle for about two hours to update the software.
Now, I did purchase a LiFePO4 battery charger and connect if under the hood. It tells me the battery is fully charged. This vehicle, in 4.5 years, has logged just under 10,000 miles. I will put the battery maintainer on the system frequently to help with the help of the battery PER the owner's manual.
#347
Obviously Porsche knows exactly what parts and programming needed to be changed because they made the change and use the AGM batteries in the newer Cayennes. Whether they'd be willing to tell your dealer how to make the change or offer to sell the retrofit instead of keeping current owners with the prospect of needing to spend what works out to average about $1000 per year on battery replacements remains to be seen. I'm not holding my breath waiting for them to do either.
Parts are (trying to get the part numbers):
92 ah battery (~$570)
Negative cable (~$250)
#348
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#349
How to Easily Register/Code a 2019 Porsche Cayenne "S" LiFePO4 Lithium battery
Although I don't recommend AUTEL devices because they use deceptive advertisement, where they don't mention that your $1,200 dollar device will not be able to use anymore any ECU, Coding, etc. features that use online server access if you don't yearly renew your Software Update license, which at $500+ dollars (half the price of the device) it becomes ridiculous and more since you are stuck with the device after a year when you find out.
AUTEL told me personally by phone that only the software updates will be disabled if I didn't renew the software updates, but AUTEL deceptively omitted in my talk and on all advertisings that they do that all ECU, Coding, etc. functions will be disabled too, thus making your investment worthless. As you can see in Amazon, or any other place AUTEL advertises/sells, they omit the fact that they will stop all features that require online access, in addition to the software updates.
Having said that and for the sake of my Porsche colleagues that are being abused by Porsche and its Lithium LiFEPO4 battery known controller/software defects (in the battery controller/sensor) that causes the battery to be irreversibly/permanently be coded internally as unusable and will need to be replaced or have the battery sensor/controller changed and programmed, and by dealers charging up to $5,000 for changing a battery, and Porsche having no stock of LiFEPO4 parts for whatever reason with customers having to wait months for one, which is why I have put a series of images/steps on how the Autel mk906bt, or any other brand with battery registration capabilities can register your new Lithium LiFEPO4 battery.
(In reality, getting stranded on a Texas road with a dead battery because of a known Porsche battery defect on a 110 Fahrenheit and/or in a freezing situation is practically an unnecessary death sentence in many situations. Porsche needs to come clean and warn customers that their defective batteries are unreliable and can fail within 2 to 4 years (instead of the 10 years advertised) because their battery controller/sensor internal program/controller defect will cause it to overcharge and damage the LiFEPO4 Lithium battery. Unacceptable behavior from Porsche, which already had some other fire issues with some of their Lithium batteries models in other vehicles.
Will put a YouTube video sometime later, too..
Here are the easy steps on how to register the Lithium LiFePO4 batteries on a Porsche, which is the same way you register AGM or other batteries in many vehicles that have a battery management system since around 2009.
You can buy a new Lithium LiFEPO4 battery yourself, in the US, Canada, Mexico, etc. and have yourself or any shop with an updated tool to register the Lithium battery.
The battery on the 9Ya (2019 Cayenne S) are located in the passenger seat on the 2019 Cayenne S, and is easily accessible to work in there.
Steps:
I have an Autel MK906BT scanner device model, which I used to take the screenshots below.
1. Select Porsche option
2. Automatically read your VIN
3. Check that you have the correct year and model
4. Select "Hot Functions"
5. Select "BMS" (Battery Management System)
6. Press "Continue" so that the battery can be coded in the gateway control unit.
7. Enter the requested battery information.
...a. Lithium LiFEPO4 Battery Capacity
...b. Battery Technology: "Lithium fep" LiFEPO4
...c. Battery manufacturer
...d. Battery Serial Number
8. Confirm and finalize.
If you use a 3rd party battery and the names/information have a different length, then use "spaces" in between the information to match the Porsche string length information.
Hope this helps somebody..
AUTEL told me personally by phone that only the software updates will be disabled if I didn't renew the software updates, but AUTEL deceptively omitted in my talk and on all advertisings that they do that all ECU, Coding, etc. functions will be disabled too, thus making your investment worthless. As you can see in Amazon, or any other place AUTEL advertises/sells, they omit the fact that they will stop all features that require online access, in addition to the software updates.
Having said that and for the sake of my Porsche colleagues that are being abused by Porsche and its Lithium LiFEPO4 battery known controller/software defects (in the battery controller/sensor) that causes the battery to be irreversibly/permanently be coded internally as unusable and will need to be replaced or have the battery sensor/controller changed and programmed, and by dealers charging up to $5,000 for changing a battery, and Porsche having no stock of LiFEPO4 parts for whatever reason with customers having to wait months for one, which is why I have put a series of images/steps on how the Autel mk906bt, or any other brand with battery registration capabilities can register your new Lithium LiFEPO4 battery.
(In reality, getting stranded on a Texas road with a dead battery because of a known Porsche battery defect on a 110 Fahrenheit and/or in a freezing situation is practically an unnecessary death sentence in many situations. Porsche needs to come clean and warn customers that their defective batteries are unreliable and can fail within 2 to 4 years (instead of the 10 years advertised) because their battery controller/sensor internal program/controller defect will cause it to overcharge and damage the LiFEPO4 Lithium battery. Unacceptable behavior from Porsche, which already had some other fire issues with some of their Lithium batteries models in other vehicles.
Will put a YouTube video sometime later, too..
Here are the easy steps on how to register the Lithium LiFePO4 batteries on a Porsche, which is the same way you register AGM or other batteries in many vehicles that have a battery management system since around 2009.
You can buy a new Lithium LiFEPO4 battery yourself, in the US, Canada, Mexico, etc. and have yourself or any shop with an updated tool to register the Lithium battery.
The battery on the 9Ya (2019 Cayenne S) are located in the passenger seat on the 2019 Cayenne S, and is easily accessible to work in there.
Steps:
I have an Autel MK906BT scanner device model, which I used to take the screenshots below.
1. Select Porsche option
2. Automatically read your VIN
3. Check that you have the correct year and model
4. Select "Hot Functions"
5. Select "BMS" (Battery Management System)
6. Press "Continue" so that the battery can be coded in the gateway control unit.
7. Enter the requested battery information.
...a. Lithium LiFEPO4 Battery Capacity
...b. Battery Technology: "Lithium fep" LiFEPO4
...c. Battery manufacturer
...d. Battery Serial Number
8. Confirm and finalize.
If you use a 3rd party battery and the names/information have a different length, then use "spaces" in between the information to match the Porsche string length information.
Hope this helps somebody..
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#350
@PorscheACC Thanks for the DIY. Are you saying that a disabled LiFePO4 battery can be re-initialized and used again? Or is the procedure you listed valid only for new batteries?
#352
@PorscheACC Thanks for the DIY. Are you saying that a disabled LiFePO4 battery can be re-initialized and used again? Or is the procedure you listed valid only for new batteries?
For old batteries, there are two cases depending what error code was set by the LiFePO4 battery controller/sensor.
There is one battery controller code that marks the battery as irreversibly disabled, which is a code used when the battery controller detects any major anomaly/heating in the battery internals. That is, no matter if you access the internals of the controller, the controller cannot be reset and it requires a new controller/sensor and programming it.
I think that irreversible terminal code is set by mistake by the battery controller when it detects it is being overcharged due to a defect in the BMS charge programming. But it shouldn't be setting that terminal code if it was just overcharged since the battery is still healthy and it was just a matter of the BMS incorrectly overcharging the battery as it aged because of a defect/bug programming.
If the battery controller terminal error code is not set, then the battery controller can be accessed and the error code can be reset so that the battery can be charged again and the battery will have voltage again at the terminals.
There are many places where they can replace the buggy disabled controller/sensor and program a new one as seen in the web link below. These places know that the batteries are not the real problem. They require a battery exchange though.
https://xemodex.com/us/product/lithi...rsche-cayenne/
Last edited by PorscheACC; 08-24-2023 at 08:28 PM.
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#353
The registration is just for new batteries.
For old batteries, there are two cases depending what error code was set by the LiFePO4 battery controller/sensor.
There is one battery controller code that marks the battery as irreversibly disabled, which is a code used when the battery controller detects any major anomaly/heating in the battery internals. That is, no matter if you access the internals of the controller, the controller cannot be reset and it requires a new controller/sensor and programming it.
I think that irreversible terminal code is set by mistake by the battery controller when it detects it is being overcharged due to a defect in the BMS charge programming. But it shouldn't be setting that terminal code if it was just overcharged since the battery is still healthy and it was just a matter of the BMS incorrectly overcharging the battery as it aged because of a defect/bug programming.
If the battery controller terminal error code is not set, then the battery controller can be accessed and the error code can be reset so that the battery can be charged again and the battery will have voltage again at the terminals.
There are many places where they can replace the buggy disabled controller/sensor and program a new one as seen in the web link below. These places know that the batteries are not the real problem. They require a battery exchange though.
https://xemodex.com/us/product/lithi...rsche-cayenne/
For old batteries, there are two cases depending what error code was set by the LiFePO4 battery controller/sensor.
There is one battery controller code that marks the battery as irreversibly disabled, which is a code used when the battery controller detects any major anomaly/heating in the battery internals. That is, no matter if you access the internals of the controller, the controller cannot be reset and it requires a new controller/sensor and programming it.
I think that irreversible terminal code is set by mistake by the battery controller when it detects it is being overcharged due to a defect in the BMS charge programming. But it shouldn't be setting that terminal code if it was just overcharged since the battery is still healthy and it was just a matter of the BMS incorrectly overcharging the battery as it aged because of a defect/bug programming.
If the battery controller terminal error code is not set, then the battery controller can be accessed and the error code can be reset so that the battery can be charged again and the battery will have voltage again at the terminals.
There are many places where they can replace the buggy disabled controller/sensor and program a new one as seen in the web link below. These places know that the batteries are not the real problem. They require a battery exchange though.
https://xemodex.com/us/product/lithi...rsche-cayenne/
I know Porsche has a so called programming fix, but many people has gotten a battery low message soon after they had that battery update done and the Porsche dealers were stating that they needed new batteries.?
So, did Porsche really has a fix? or the fix is buggy?
#355
Maybe, there is an additional setting needed to be modified if you change the negative battery LiFePO4 cable connector/data-sensor for the AGM negative terminal cable connector/data-sensor so that the AUTEL device list the AGM and other types of batteries.
Though, my AUTEL device hasn't been updated in around 2-3 years since I don't want to pay yearly around $500+ for the AUTEL software update..Don't know if something has changed in newer updates.
Last edited by PorscheACC; 08-25-2023 at 12:24 AM.
#356
Post #137 of the Lithium Ion battery thread in the 992 forum lists the negative Ground Cable Part that works with the AGM battery as # 992-915-181. Part numbers are also listed in post #150. Those posts are from Mar timeframe and some later AntiGravity posts say that they are aware of two cars that swapped Li ion for AGM. See https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1299...battery-4.html.
This thread is from a guy who bought a 992 CPO car that had the battery swapped from Li ion to AGM. See https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1299...battery-4.html
This thread is from a guy who bought a 992 CPO car that had the battery swapped from Li ion to AGM. See https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1299...battery-4.html
#357
Post #137 of the Lithium Ion battery thread in the 992 forum lists the negative Ground Cable Part that works with the AGM battery as # 992-915-181. Part numbers are also listed in post #150. Those posts are from Mar timeframe and some later AntiGravity posts say that they are aware of two cars that swapped Li ion for AGM. See https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1299...battery-4.html.
This thread is from a guy who bought a 992 CPO car that had the battery swapped from Li ion to AGM. See https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1299...battery-4.html
This thread is from a guy who bought a 992 CPO car that had the battery swapped from Li ion to AGM. See https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1299...battery-4.html
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#359
Post #137 of the Lithium Ion battery thread in the 992 forum lists the negative Ground Cable Part that works with the AGM battery as # 992-915-181. Part numbers are also listed in post #150. Those posts are from Mar timeframe and some later AntiGravity posts say that they are aware of two cars that swapped Li ion for AGM. See https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1299...battery-4.html.
This thread is from a guy who bought a 992 CPO car that had the battery swapped from Li ion to AGM. See https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1299...battery-4.html
This thread is from a guy who bought a 992 CPO car that had the battery swapped from Li ion to AGM. See https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1299...battery-4.html
What is the AGM battery part number or group size and CCA specifications?
#360
A favor to ask of the 9Y0 owners who own a vehicle with an AGM battery:
Create a userid on partslink24.com, and pay for a 24 hour subscription for $12.00
Using your VIN, look up your battery negative cable and AGM battery part numbers and post them here.
Alternatively, if you post your VIN on this thread, or to me via direct message, I will look up the part numbers and post them here.
Create a userid on partslink24.com, and pay for a 24 hour subscription for $12.00
Using your VIN, look up your battery negative cable and AGM battery part numbers and post them here.
Alternatively, if you post your VIN on this thread, or to me via direct message, I will look up the part numbers and post them here.