Diesel Cayenne and VW emission issue
09-02-2016, 12:07 AM
#1396
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If it's not quantified in the NADA (or other apprasing) guide, it doesn't exist. If you were pricing your vehicle now for private sale or trade, how would you value that modification?
And, by how would you value, I mean how would a prospective buyer value it? You can say you spent $1500 on a wrap and a savvy negotiator would fire back that he doesn't really want a wrap, so it's not worth anything to him or her.
09-02-2016, 12:18 AM
#1397
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Looks like a fix is near...again.
http://autoweek.com/article/vw-diese...n=awdailydrive
Also sounds like the dealers may get some relief also for 1 yr/12 mos of unsalable inventory on their books and lots. AM sure quite a few has lost significant revenue because of this..maybe a few smaller VW dealership may have gone under. Wonder how this will play out with VW's bottom line and liquidity as a major auto brand in the Europe and Worldwide with its competitors? When this is finally over IF it ever is they will have lost a nice bit of $$$ won't they for dubious reasons.
http://autoweek.com/article/vw-diese...llable-diesels
http://autoweek.com/article/vw-diese...n=awdailydrive
Also sounds like the dealers may get some relief also for 1 yr/12 mos of unsalable inventory on their books and lots. AM sure quite a few has lost significant revenue because of this..maybe a few smaller VW dealership may have gone under. Wonder how this will play out with VW's bottom line and liquidity as a major auto brand in the Europe and Worldwide with its competitors? When this is finally over IF it ever is they will have lost a nice bit of $$$ won't they for dubious reasons.
http://autoweek.com/article/vw-diese...llable-diesels
09-02-2016, 08:23 AM
#1399
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Originally Posted by WhipE350
That is interesting. My sales manager said he can sell them, but he can't certify them. He was just itching for me to trade, so much so he let my me and my buddy take a Macan GTS to lunch and for a long test drive. To be fair though we have bought 6 Porsches from them between the two of us. They see dollar signs when we come in.
09-02-2016, 08:28 AM
#1400
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It's not just VW, or diesel. This will have massive, industry-wide fallout:
http://www.reuters.com/article/mitsu...-idUSL3N1BE1DS
http://www.reuters.com/article/mitsu...-idUSL3N1BE1DS
09-02-2016, 08:30 AM
#1401
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09-02-2016, 09:53 AM
#1402
It's not just VW, or diesel. This will have massive, industry-wide fallout: http://www.reuters.com/article/mitsu...-idUSL3N1BE1DS
09-02-2016, 10:58 AM
#1403
I'm in that boat too since I put the TT's bumper on and have done a few other tweaks here and there.
If you were pricing your vehicle now for private sale or trade, how would you value that modification?
And, by how would you value, I mean how would a prospective buyer value it? You can say you spent $1500 on a wrap and a savvy negotiator would fire back that he doesn't really want a wrap, so it's not worth anything to him or her.
And, by how would you value, I mean how would a prospective buyer value it? You can say you spent $1500 on a wrap and a savvy negotiator would fire back that he doesn't really want a wrap, so it's not worth anything to him or her.
If the fix is so bad as to essentially force a buyback, then much like the depreciation issue I do have a bone to pick with them over the loss of what I've put into it since the "sale" isn't really voluntary.
09-02-2016, 11:48 AM
#1404
Instructor
Yes Porsche dealers can sell used CDs, if they were owned by non-dealer.
That's not the determining factor. It's previous ownership.
For a while, Dealers thought they could sell their stopped-sale cars by putting miles on them as loaners, then registering them and selling them as "used" (preowned). Some even tried to sell them that way through other brand dealerships if they owned multiple brands in their group. PCNA put a stop to that. They CAN (could at one time, at least) sell lease returns that were owned by Porsche Finance.
There is no need to Certify them, except for the extensive inspection, because they have 6 year, 125k mile warranties already. If you are interested, you could have the Dealership perform the inspection.
Again, there is a high demand for used Diesel CDs, at least at dealers who have made a market in Diesels. Some dealers are afraid of them because of the uncertainty - but they probably didn't like stocking diesels before the S*** hit the fan, either.
Even before Dieselgate, there were dealers who just would't stock diesels in their Euro dealerships - M-B, Range Rover, BMW, VW, Audi or other, maybe because they remember the 1980 5.7L Oldsmobile diesels.
This.....
I just purchased my 2014 CD from a non Porsche dealer and cant tell you how many dealers I called about a preowned CD they had listed. None of them could sell them and only had them listed to get people to call and/or stop in. After that they were pushing the S E Hybrid. Wasting everyone's time....
I just purchased my 2014 CD from a non Porsche dealer and cant tell you how many dealers I called about a preowned CD they had listed. None of them could sell them and only had them listed to get people to call and/or stop in. After that they were pushing the S E Hybrid. Wasting everyone's time....
That is interesting. My sales manager said he can sell them, but he can't certify them. He was just itching for me to trade, so much so he let my me and my buddy take a Macan GTS to lunch and for a long test drive. To be fair though we have bought 6 Porsches from them between the two of us. They see dollar signs when we come in.
Again, there is a high demand for used Diesel CDs, at least at dealers who have made a market in Diesels. Some dealers are afraid of them because of the uncertainty - but they probably didn't like stocking diesels before the S*** hit the fan, either.
Even before Dieselgate, there were dealers who just would't stock diesels in their Euro dealerships - M-B, Range Rover, BMW, VW, Audi or other, maybe because they remember the 1980 5.7L Oldsmobile diesels.
09-02-2016, 12:09 PM
#1405
Instructor
The EPA / CARB just avoided the issue until now. They will have to find a better way to write regs and test, now that the cat is out of the bag.
There will be wide ramifications, worldwide, now that the Public is aware. And of course, now that CARB has new traction. The move toward new propulsion technologies will accelerate.
Will Dr. Porsche's 1899 hybrid technology be the leader? We shall see.
09-02-2016, 12:34 PM
#1406
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Originally Posted by Searcher356
Yes Porsche dealers can sell used CDs, if they were owned by non-dealer.That's not the determining factor. It's previous ownership.
09-02-2016, 01:20 PM
#1407
Although all cars pass the EPA certification, AS THE EPA WROTE THEIR REGS, few or none have passed when driving under normal conditions. (See Dr. Stedman, Denver University, research over the decades) http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/...nalCode=achre4
There is a difference, however, between "teaching to the tests" while still honestly trying to improve the emissions and what VAG did.
VAG took the common knowledge that A) the tests weren't really valid and B) the results weren't vetted and used that to their advantage.
While I think it's hilarious that they had the ***** to so blatantly thumb their nose at these agencies, they still did wrong here.
The EPA / CARB just avoided the issue until now.
They will have to find a better way to write regs and test, now that the cat is out of the bag.
Note how all the publicity is about how evil VAG is for trying to kill us all with their dirty diesels, but you don't hear anything about how if CARB/EPA had been doing their job correctly to begin with this never could have happened (at least not in such a blatant manner).
They'll skate, collect a bunch of money from VAG, ruin VAG's reputation for an extended period of time, and go back to their imbalanced enforcement of their questionable policies.
09-02-2016, 01:51 PM
#1408
Just got this email. Not really any content...
Dear Mr. ...,
We are writing to update you on the status of our efforts to ensure that your Porsche Cayenne Diesel vehicle is recertified just as soon as possible. No doubt you have read reports about the status conference which Federal District Judge Breyer held on August 25, to learn the status of efforts to re-certify the 3.0-liter engine which is used in a number of vehicles including your car. It was reported to the Court, as we have informed you, that intense efforts continue to accomplish this and that we believe these cars can be brought into full compliance in the near future.
Porsche is continuing to the best of our ability to cooperate fully with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, the California Air Resources Board, and other government officials to answer all their questions and complete the necessary testing. Judge Breyer directed that Porsche submits its final recall plan by October 24, and reports back to him November 4, and we surely will do our part to honor his request.
In the meantime, your car remains fully lawful and safe to drive, and we trust that your extended Porsche limited warranty allows you to do so with confidence. We will continue keeping you informed of our efforts and we thank you for your loyalty to Porsche. We sincerely apologize to you for the fact that resolving this matter has taken longer than any of us had hoped, and for any other inconvenience you have experienced. We stand behind all our products and will make certain we give you the cars and services you expect and deserve from Porsche.
Very truly yours,
Klaus Zellmer
President and Chief Executive Officer
Porsche Cars North America, Inc.
We are writing to update you on the status of our efforts to ensure that your Porsche Cayenne Diesel vehicle is recertified just as soon as possible. No doubt you have read reports about the status conference which Federal District Judge Breyer held on August 25, to learn the status of efforts to re-certify the 3.0-liter engine which is used in a number of vehicles including your car. It was reported to the Court, as we have informed you, that intense efforts continue to accomplish this and that we believe these cars can be brought into full compliance in the near future.
Porsche is continuing to the best of our ability to cooperate fully with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, the California Air Resources Board, and other government officials to answer all their questions and complete the necessary testing. Judge Breyer directed that Porsche submits its final recall plan by October 24, and reports back to him November 4, and we surely will do our part to honor his request.
In the meantime, your car remains fully lawful and safe to drive, and we trust that your extended Porsche limited warranty allows you to do so with confidence. We will continue keeping you informed of our efforts and we thank you for your loyalty to Porsche. We sincerely apologize to you for the fact that resolving this matter has taken longer than any of us had hoped, and for any other inconvenience you have experienced. We stand behind all our products and will make certain we give you the cars and services you expect and deserve from Porsche.
Very truly yours,
Klaus Zellmer
President and Chief Executive Officer
Porsche Cars North America, Inc.
09-02-2016, 03:45 PM
#1410
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I really think that email is in response to posts on this forum, honestly. Maybe it's just the tinfoil hat I wore this morning, but I know that these types of forums are monitored by personnel from the manufacturers. The BMW and Volvo ones I was on certainly are.
Hi guys!
In any event, nothing that's not known by us nutjobs (me) who read the court transcript. I just hope my Halloween ends up with a treat and not a trick..
Hi guys!
In any event, nothing that's not known by us nutjobs (me) who read the court transcript. I just hope my Halloween ends up with a treat and not a trick..