jpokluda

Just an observation: that past post depicted a 15% fuel economy reduction, not 25%, and used an average of 28 mpg and 23.8 mpg (at 15% reduction). My average fuel use is 25 mpg and, at a theoretical 25% reduction, would be 18.8 mpg. At $3 per gallon, my annual fuel cost goes from $1,800- to $2,400-, not inconsequential. Plus I drive 18K per year so the delta could be $720 per year. $500- will not go very far. I'm hoping for better!

skiahh

The problem with this logic is that many people bought the CD for the mpg and paid a $4500 premium for the engine. Without that it's arguable that a lot of CD owners may have purchased a comparable S. Or even a base.

Let's say, for argument's sake, that we paid the premium in part for both. And the fix kills mpg but retains torque. Then $500 is a cheap way out; the amount ought to be $2250, or half the diesel premium option. Not $500.

jpokluda

Good point. In my case, without both benefits (mpg AND torque), I would never have bought a CD in the first place.

Needsdecaf

Yup.

I calculate chances of buyout occurring at being less than zero.

Personally, I a, fine with this. I had planned on keeping the vehicle at least 100k miles. Now I have a full warranty to that date and then some, given the emissions warranty will be up to, if I remember correctly, 120k and covers pretty much the entire exhaust and emissions system from the exhaust ports back.

My only fear is if the fix significantly impacts performance (maybe) or consumption (likely). If that's the case, I've already lodged my complaint with PCNA and had it responded to, and I would seek trade assistance. Or, sell the car outright and move on. Based on current selling prices, plus the $10k, I should be pretty much where I would have been with a Porsche of that mileage.

chsu74

This whole logic bothers me. The fix will have to burn more fuel per mile and emit more exhaust to be "cleaner?"

skiahh

That's environmental math for you.

mdrobc1213

I don't think a buy out will occur..they just had to "appear" to offer one and give details on what it would look like. To actually do it would devestate the company financially I think which may be good for the current adminstrations goals to bring back manufacturing and jobs to the US but which I don't think Ms Merkel and the EU would like or allow.

We'll see what happens tho I guess this summer and Fall.

visitador

If there is a buyback, I bet the news would be all over the owners who spec their CDs to $150,000 or so. Anyone here?

ckkrause

I recently bought a '14 CD and love the vehicle. Didn't really understand/care about the VW dieselgate, until I purchased mine. So, is the settlement worked out with the original owner or current owner? Sorry if this is a bit of a naive question, but I really don't want to read 193 pages of comments to find out...

Thanks, - CK

visitador

^^^ just read the info in vwcourtsettlement.com

SignDoc

I believe this article http://www.consumerreports.org/lawsu...f-up-to-58000/ addresses what a lot of folks believe, that the buyback should have been an option. Specifically, the quote"

"We're pleased this agreement will compensate consumers," says William Wallace, policy analyst for Consumers Union. "But those with newer vehicles also should have the option to choose a buyback or lease termination, and that's not necessarily the case here. Consumers were sold a different product than advertised, and they should have the choice to no longer be a Volkswagen customer."

I disagree with the comments by the lead attorney, who months ago said any agreement MUST include a buyback option. Not sure why she (and the judge too) changed their tune.

This latest agreement will provide substantial benefits to both consumers and the environment, says Elizabeth Cabraser, the attorney appointed by the court to negotiate on behalf of plaintiffs suing VW.

“We’re another step closer to achieving our goal: providing consumers fair value for their vehicles, while repairing or removing illegally polluting vehicles from the road,’’ Cabraser says.

ckkrause

Got it... Thanks, CK

jpokluda

Spyerex. A while ago you called 'BS' on my innocent post. Ouch. You then proceeded to rant in directions unrelated to my post. The present settlement appears to value my 2014 CD compensation, if VW comes up with a Certified fix, at about $9,000. BS?

"Originally Posted by jpokluda
My hopes for fair compensation have so far been dashed. I read about a $1 Billion settlement amount for 3 liter diesels. If I assume 20,000 Gen 1 cars being bought back at $25K apiece, this leaves $500 Million for the remaining 60,000 of us. Meaning a combined repair + compensation of $8,300- apiece. If the buyback is at a higher amount, we're even less. Not much to compensate for what may be a 50% decline in the value of our TDIs today. I'd enjoy hearing other opinions on this."

PJ Cayenne

Nice work JP- at that time, you could not have known about the Bosch settlement, which boost payment to the mid-9s. This settlement, assuming a timely repair is horrible. The $500 per vehicle penalty for performance reduction doesn't even kick in until hp & torque are reduced by 5% and mpg by 3. I think we can be certain any compliant fix will noticeably reduce performance and fuel economy. I got a good laugh at the ONE free oil change and AdBlu refill.
On a positive note, I read the dealer can't perform the update until we allow it to be done, but they still have to service the vehicle. So I suppose it depends on the states allowing the cars to be registered in the near future.

So they'll win this battle but unless they step to the plate, this is my 5th and LAST VAG product.

stronbl

Updated (enhanced) catalytic converter, exhaust piping, and NOx filter. There may also be a a slight ECU tune to offset the change in exhaust system such that performance was nearly identical to MYs2013-2014. I do not believe there were any significant diesel engine mods that would be emissions related, only a minor tweak here or there, i.e. advertised engine specs were unchanged.

Maybe not ... there is quite a bit of tune (engine and turbo) that can be done to compensate for emissions changes and still be compliant in some fashion (i.e. reduced emission compliance is still cleaner than present, just not as clean as per certification). On the MPG a 3 MPG deviation will be nearly imperceptible given real world driving variances. So if VAG / PAG can stay at or below 5% change in power & torque and 3 MPG, I'm ok with it.

I did find it interesting that the reduced performance penalty was $500 which is the same amount as a delayed emissions repair penalty. Both penalties should have been $1000 or more, IMO.