Ophthodawg

Hi Forum,

im posting again re my 2015 CD, 95,000 miles

i have a small coolant leak… the car warns about every 2000 miles to add coolant. the dealer just diagnosed the leak involves the EGR valve … they quoted $3500 to fix. Since ive done the dance with Porsche NA previously to have them honor a NO sensor replacement under the dieselgate extended warranty I once again reviewed the document. Sure enough, the EGR system in its entirety is covered… I brought this to the attention of my service advisor at the dealership… while I wait for a reply Im curious if any forum members with a CD have had ERG coolant leaks and if so did you get it sorted under the extended warranty or ?

the language and detail in the extended dieselgate warranty is unambiguous… ill try to post an excerpt for reference…

cheers




until hear back what

BigCheese

Identical situation.
Got the add coolant message about 6 weeks ago, added about a pint to top off. Did my own oil change two weeks ago and when resetting discovered an EGR code. Called for dealer appointment, mentioned EGR fault and ‘small coolant leak’.
They had CD for a day and said ‘EGR is covered, and you’ve got a small valve cover leak, also covered by VAG settlement. But leaks are not covered by the settlement, and we suggest replacing all potential sources of the leak while we are in there.’
They didn’t offer what the leak might be but said ‘it’s puddling in the V.’ And one of the EGR related parts was backordered.
Leak repair written estimate: $3300.
I know the ‘leak repair’ and EGR valve require tear down in the same area. And it’s likely the EGR cooler is the leak source.
Sounds like a shell game to me. I have not yet pursued the issue with the dealership.

BigCheese

BTW…mine is also 2015 CD, 72000 miles.

coffeeisgood

if dieselgate covers EGR valve & EGR cooler, what am I missing here. Why is this "leak" not covered?

Needsdecaf

I had a leak in that not area, but I believe it was not the EGR cooler, was another cooler. I had to pay, was about $1800.

If it is the EGR, I would certainly press it should be covered by the warranty. Are they SURE it's the EGR?

Edit, found my post of what was replaced:

https://rennlist.com/forums/cayenne-...l#post16483562


https://www.porscheatlantaperimeterparts.com/products/Porsche/Oil-cooler-complete/10443051/95810727121.html

Smitty-B

I had the same issue/experience as Needsdecaf .... turns out the culprit is the Govenor (958-106-737-04) which is part of the cooling system and not seemingly associated with EGR. I had a little back-and-forth with my dealer but, in the end, they did not cover under warranty. $1,800 for me too.

Ophthodawg

thanks BigCheese,

I agree, the avoidance of fixing a covered warranty part is craziness... my service advisor is still "researching" so we will see... ultimately I will get the repair and keep all parts... I suppose one way of calling their bluff is to authorize the leak "fix" without replacing any emissions parts ... I suspect that's an impossibility given the leak is associated with the ERG cooler ...

using plastic parts in an area of heat cycling is the epitome of stupidity... pretty sure Porsche will ultimately be covering many CD's for this engineering faux pas ...

I'll keep the forum updated as the dance continues ...

Ophthodawg

update: my SA said he checked with his dealer warranty specialist and the "coolant valve" is not covered in the extended emissions warranty coverage... although he said the erg seals to flange need replacement... I told him that doesn't make sense... the coolant leak is either distinct from the EGR system or something is fishy...

I've requested a parts list for repairing the coolant leak for my '15 CD... saga continues... once I receive the parts list I'll update post again

if my CD coolant leak has nothing to do with ERG (although the other SA mentioned EGR last week) that's fine but I refuse to have them replace any components of the EGR if the fix is on my dime ... if their "fix" doesn't solve the problem then they'll need to pull it apart again ... and refund their ineffectual "fix"

this is a crazy process... does anyone have contact info for the counsel involved in the settlement ?

perhaps there is a distinct "coolant valve" in the V of the engine that isn't the EGR valve, EGR bypass valve, EGR cooler, EGR filter, all related hoses and pipes, all sensors and actuators ? any mechanics on this forum ? fun

I don't want to be unreasonable , however I would like to avoid being screwed over ...

visitador

I took a screen shot from the Touareg forum, thinking it may become helpful in the future

Needsdecaf

That's why I posted above what I did. There ARE other coolant items going on down there that aren't EGR related. Like the oil cooler repair I had performed.

If it is related to the EGR, it should be covered, period. So not sure what "coolant valve" he's discussing, but it's possible that it's not part of the EGR system.

Ophthodawg

thanks Needsdecaf ... I was waiting to reconcile the parts list I requested with your post... it turns out I have the same issue you had... not EGR related

I'm just skeptical given history with a NOx sensor and CEL that was clearly emissions warranty and yet I had to fight like hell to get it sorted... appreciate your post !

ChrisTDI

Not covered by the Extended Emissions warranty. See my post: https://rennlist.com/forums/cayenne-...ld-diesel.html

CodyGoodwin253

Ironically I am having the opposite issue of you; EGR cooler repair was previously covered and replaced all components, now I am having a failure and leak of the oil cooler and they are trying to say that the Oil cooler isnt covered but the EGR was.

ChrisTDI

Call PCNA and ask them your questions. Additionally, if the original warrantied work comes with a warranty itself. Lets say you had a new brake line hose installed, and it breaks. Does that hose come with a warranty? I believe that it would. Get your receipts and check dates. Be ready to go to an indy if you don't want to pay for dealer prices. The oil cooler is not the end of the world, nor is it an engine out repair. A lot of us have thought something should be covered but ended up being not the case. No harm in trying though, and I think you might have something if the oil cooler was replaced on that previous work. No one on the forms will say weather something is covered or not, because it doesn't matter what we say, its all about what PCNA says and the dealer agrees to!