MadFox

nanny nanny boo boo -- mines bigger than yours too!

(mind out of the gutter... cool avatars!)

ltc

Fair enough.
I will sit back and await the news of your glorious victory against PCNA.
However, since I already know how it will end up, I'll be channel surfing in the meantime.......

MadFox

Oh Great Kool-Aid one... notice that no one nor I said that you were "wrong".. However, I think this situation is different than the now infamous trailer hitch !!!!! warning creating a "black hole" whilest thou traveleth to the track (or returneth home) late at night.

This situation has all costs absorbed by NavTeq (they do it for other manf.).. All our beloved PCNA has to do is approve the new data disks for use in either the CD or DVD version. This approval is ONLY about the disks being certified to use in a Porsche PCM/NAV system under the current operating system. There is no basis for class action.. that's silly and unnecessary.. Thus the "upgrade" if provided on the same operating system would be of no additional liability or cost to Porsche.. this is simply a signature on a piece of paper allowing them to sell it (now, if a royalty is required, I'm sure NavTeq would do that too).

Totally different than your dilemma.. let me explain it in German! Here's the difference in the two scenarios, changing/ reprogramming/replacing the trailer hitch software and/or configuration means that PAG/PCNA has to admit the following:

Firztly, zat vee admit dat vere vrong in zee dezign.. zis is crap and vee von't do zis.
Zecondly, zat vee vill spedz zee money to re-write zee code.. zis is crap and vee von't do zis for zee 3 peoples zat vill bitch to uz.
Turdly, zee vill replace zee entire zing with a normal ztandard one is crap.
Fordly, vee never vill respondz to zee lawyerz.. or threats of clazz action.. but if you beg...zis is zee stuff zat vee like... vee love zee beggarz.. zee instigator of zee trailer hitch schitzu is not a beggarz.
Fifthly, zee schitzu zat dezigned zis MOST system cost uz lotz of money zo zis iz vone vay to payz zim back.
Zixly, vee schitzus need to re-readz zee firztly pointz.
Zeventhly, vee shcitzus need to be zure zat zay read zee firztly pointz.

yah.. vee no zat "Zeventhly" izn't zee vord.. but vee alwayz vanted to zay zeventhly!

Kooser

I see that your glass of Kool-aid is half empty rather than half full.

mudman2

Well don't make promises you cannot keep big boy. Dont overdose

ltc

Yes, based on experience.
Do you want me to tell you the truth about the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny and Santa Claus while I'm at it?

Defective rear seat belts? No problem, we'll give them A506 'Cowboy Belt Buckles', even though we already have properly designed rear seat belts already done and on the production line.

Like I said, I wish you all the best (I don't have PCM and wouldn't want it anwyays)....heated seats would have been nice however.....but I'll just sit back and watch for a flare to go up so I know the glass was always half full with PCNA and their customers.

ltc

Overdose, Overmedicate.....what's the difference?

MadFox

HUGE difference! If you overdose ltc you could be dead.. and then the Cayenne will have BEATEN you
so.. overmedicate anytime (don't we all with the adult kool-aid?)

schvetkaaks

Well, I just called (even though I don't have my Cayenne) and I got some great news!

PCNA said that they will NEVER update the CD's, that they 'moved on to the DVD's and will update those from time to time'. Sweet, huh?

I explained that Navteq has the updated maps and all PCNA has to do is approve the release for the Porsche software but he just stated that that's not what Porsche is planning to do. That leaves us with using what we have or upgrading to the DVD system for a cool 5 grand or so.

I lodged a complaint for whatever that will do.

ltc

My reaction:

But then again, I'm obviously a 'glass is half empty' kind of person.

OK, Kooser, your reaction?

Remember, it's hard to breathe when you live with your head stuck in the sand (or someplace else for that matter).

Kooser

Don't know how to take your comment since it is in written form.

Do I sense some malignant pleasure, smugness, gloating, a megalomaniacal attitude perhaps?

Assuming naiveness, blind idealism, and pure optimism from me?

I jumped onto the post to detail my dealings with this topic so far and to support others and encourage their involvement as well.

I'm all about uphill battles, win lose or draw - The pugilist in me enjoys the fight, physically or on paper. So I intend to continue my effort here with hope (even though there seems to be no chance in convincing PAG to change their mind) but this ultimately may cause me to reconsider buying a Cayman S out of principle over this matter.

ltc

Please allow me to translate
= I'm rolling on the floor laughing, since I knew what was going to happen ahead of time. I'm not laughing at you, so it's not personal; please don't take it as such.

Yes
Yes
Yes............come on, you're making me blush
DEFINTELY. My business card reads: Senior Staff Engineer, Supreme Technical Dictator for Life...I'm currently designing a uniform.

No, it's just that you don't realize who/what you are dealing with in the form of PAG/PCNA

Admirable. I too try and support others (technically) and when there's nothing I can do to help them, try and lighten things up a bit and get people to read along and laugh.

Noble, but you need to go to England if you want to be a Knight.

And you wonder why there isn't a Carrera GT and never will be a Panamera in my garage...........

I wish you success in your quest

Grssypond

I just spoke with Navteq CS about the 'current' CD discs. As has been mentioned, 12/2004 release. The CS tells me that his system/computer is noting that the next update for the Cayenne, both CD and DVD, will be 5/2006. He has no information on how much information will be in the release. He did say that they offer the manufacturer 'all' current information. If this happens to be a true statement, then maybe the letters should implore PCNA to obain 'all' of the current data. I'll take that kool-aid.

Kooser

grrr bASuuu bbbbbfggg jajhja...oh, excuse me, my voice was muffled whilst I was pulling my head out of my *** to read this post. (Do you like the "whilst" I thought I would work on my British dialect prior to kneeling before Her Majesty)

Perhaps not ALL is lost?

And your reaction ltc?

Seems as if Navteq and PCNA are not communicating effectively when we have conflicting reports like these.

Maybe an onslaught of letters might actually ensure that a CD update actually happens.

ltc

I am patiently awaiting the outcome from up here in the cheap seats. Somebody please wake me if I start to snore.

Prediction:
IF the new CD's are released, you will still find yourself awash in an ocean of green, all for the low price of $199.

However, I hope I am wrong, as the current situation regarding PCM nav data (again, don't own one, dont' want one, but have had a few in my loaner car and work experience) is a bit 'below expectations'