997s07

I like the car, it is essentially a 991 GT3 without a wing and a manual transmission. A throwback to the ultimate water cooled car, the 996 RS would have been great. The colors, the simplicity, etc.

Larry Cable

+1

AdPock

Wow, that video Porsche dropped with the debut is awesome. Here's my front page take on it...
https://rennlist.com/articles/new-20...s-a-satellite/

mooty

indeed.
997s07 and few others excluded, but 991 board has many bimmer kids. they need to grow up

C.J. Ichiban

wait hang on there are other forums on RL besides 997GT2/GT3 and 991GT3/RS and GT4?

mooty

^ LMAO

997s07

Someone on the 991 forum just asked if he should order a 991R as an investment. That's the kind of high school śhit you'll find there.

997s07

There's even a 996 GT2/3 forum.

ilko

Back to the gearbox, since there seemed to be some "confusion" last time, here's a source I trust:

https://www.pca.org/news/2016-03-01/...now-about-911r

So, just like I said, it is indeed the standard 991 gearbox. Now we'll have to wait until someone who's actually driven it along a regular 991 has to say about it...

993GT

confirmed 991.2 GT3 will have a manual option and GT2 is coming
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...gt2-is-coming/

neanicu

There wasn't any " confusion ". The source you're citing is no other than Pete Stout. There's a big difference from what you were implying to what it actually is... Your " fear " was that the 911 R is using nothing more than a PDK with a 7 speed lever and perhaps a gear removed,thus it would have " no feel ". In reality,it makes perfect sense to use the PDK case so that it can mate with the 9A1 derived GT3 RS 4.0 L's bell housing. Any other gearbox would not mate without complete new casting. Having first hand experience with what they've done to the 981 GTS gearbox and how they've modified it to " feel right " in the GT4(leaving aside the longish gears argument),I have no doubt that the gearbox in the 911 R will not " feel " like a modified PDK.
And if you want further confirmation,our own Rennlister Jack Olsen has actually driven the 911 R and felt no negative difference compared to the gearbox in his air cooled 911.

ilko

OK, let me start over again since we seem to be running in circles here:

For the 991 Porsche teamed up with Aisin to create a 7-speed PDK gearbox with a case and internals that, for cost effectiveness, can also be converted to a manual transmission (3 pedals and gear lever). That's the manual that's been used in the 991 cars until now. The problem I (and others) have had with this particular manual version of the PDK gearbox is that it doesn't feel as well executed as the G50 derivatives of the past. It was not designed as a manual gearbox to begin with!

That is why I said that I'd reserve judgement on the complete 991R package until it's been properly tested by someone who can compare it to the regular 991 manual gearbox. Porsche did seem to have improved that gearbox in the 991-1 GTS so hopefully they did even better on the R. But if I were spending $200K (or probably $500K on the open market soon) on that car I'd want more than bragging rights but enjoyment as well. The regular 991 manual tranny I didn't find very enjoyable compared to the ones I own.

And again that gearbox has nothing to do with the 981 gearbox. That is a really, really good gearbox from the standard Boxster on. Porsche did a fine job there, hats off to them.

Make sense now?

neanicu

I'm far from a Kool-Aid drinker,actually I'm one of the biggest Porsche critics around these parts,but I have ZERO concerns about the " feel " of this gearbox. Of course,you have your right to be suspicious until proven otherwise,nothing wrong with that!

stout

Should have noted: Sat in the Geneva show car before they opened the floodgates and everyone rowed on the shifter, and went through the gears a couple of times just to see. The gates felt a little bit looser and the lever required less effort than I expected. It was not as stiff/tight as a 997 GT3 shifter, nor as nice/sweet as a GT4 shifter, with the latter admittedly setting a very high bar any PDK-based/cased manual gearbox may have a tough time matching. 986-2 5sp came to mind, with shorter throws. However, this was a preproduction show car and I don't put much (if any) stock in judging how a shifter works engine off and the car sitting still.

I am very curious to try the 911R shifter on the road—I suspect it will be better than the 991-1 MT (it has to be) and hopefully better than the 991-1 GTS/991-2 shifter (which is good, though not as good as 981 or, especially, 981 GT4). The hope comes from the fact that the same people who developed the GT4 shifter and every GT3 shifter to date know what they are doing, the fear comes from the fact that it is still a PDK-based/cased gearbox.

neanicu

The man has driven the car!