The 997 GT3/RS Cars For Sale Thread...
12-11-2019, 10:55 PM
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12-11-2019, 11:43 PM
#3363
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it seems like cars that check all the right boxes for the right person still bring all the money. For whatever reason the peanut gallery seems soured on the engine rebuild. As an owner that wouldn’t turn me off, but I think in this case it may effect the sale. At the end of the day it’s an auction so it could bring high dollar if the right people are in the room. But I think if the seller *needs* to sell it, amen it has to be this week, then he should be prepared to see mid 80s. You’re not wrong with what you’re suggesting.
12-12-2019, 01:03 AM
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What’s this “cam actuator” issue I often see mentioned? Which GT3/RS models have it, how bad is it, and does it have a fix/solution?
12-12-2019, 07:32 AM
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more info here. https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...cking-out.html
12-12-2019, 10:46 AM
#3366
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Not in Colorado or any other state I know of... You pay sales tax at your local city/county/state rate where you register the vehicle regardless of where purchased. And most other states do NOT get sales tax revenue for a vehicle sold out of state, transported or not. Some states/dealerships will collect and submit to your home state, some not. Either way, you pay your local rate.
Now California has some special used car sales tax rules, and unless you ship the vehicle out of state (and have a bill of lading to prove it), you MUST pay CA sales tax at delivery if purchased and delivered in CA. Most other states will then credit you this amount towards their taxes, but if the CA tax is higher than your local (which it often is), you get hosed. eg: Out of CA buyer cant do a fly-and-drive purchase from a dealer in CA without getting hosed on taxes (unless their local taxes are equally high).
I think Arizona also has some weird used car taxation rules as well...
Now California has some special used car sales tax rules, and unless you ship the vehicle out of state (and have a bill of lading to prove it), you MUST pay CA sales tax at delivery if purchased and delivered in CA. Most other states will then credit you this amount towards their taxes, but if the CA tax is higher than your local (which it often is), you get hosed. eg: Out of CA buyer cant do a fly-and-drive purchase from a dealer in CA without getting hosed on taxes (unless their local taxes are equally high).
I think Arizona also has some weird used car taxation rules as well...
I'm not a tax or legal professional, FYI
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Mr. Adair (12-12-2019)
12-12-2019, 11:56 AM
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12-12-2019, 12:04 PM
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hahaha,.... yea I saw that quote in that FS ad too. .... "gears" - ... I definitely laughed out loud on that one.
I also wanted to do the calculations for average speed on that car,... but the DME report they show, cut off the last page to show total operating hours. It does show that the last previous range 1 over-rev was at 390 hours, but hard to say how long ago that was.
.... so based on previous (other thread) discussions we've had here on RL,... for a "track rat" with 18,851 miles, I would expect to see the total operating hours to still be close to the 390 shown on that report. Or at least still WITHIN 150 hours or so from the 390 hr mark. That being said, with 790 ignitions in range 1, and 195 in range 2,... my suspicion is that this motor may need some attention / diagnostics (or some more "time" driving), so that it could be proven that the engine is stable. So even if the current total operating hours is, lets say 400. That would be a avg speed of 47. That tells me that indeed much of those 18,851 miles were on the track.
as a point of reference,... to share my "findings",... several of the GT3's where I know for a fact the car has been mostly street driven,.. I'm finding that the average speed is down around 30 - 33 mph. Any of you guys see anything different?
... I'll also restate the obvious, track time is NOT a bad thing!! Pls don't hit me up on that point, cuz i agree! ... this is more about transparency & disclosure on cars FS.
anyway,... those were just my thoughts as I looked at that car FS.
For ease of locating,... for any of you who are wondering which car we are talking about. It was posted above in Post # 3345. VIN: WP0AC2A98BS783127
Updated: Calculation (this is learned behavior from Doug Lol, so I blame him,... & his Bourbon) ... 790 ignitions / 3 ignitions-per-revolution / 10,000 rev/min * 60 sec/min = 118 seconds (1.58 minutes).
...... That seems like a lot of time to spend at 9K, on a car that has a 8,400 redline. Do I have this right?
=Steve
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I also wanted to do the calculations for average speed on that car,... but the DME report they show, cut off the last page to show total operating hours. It does show that the last previous range 1 over-rev was at 390 hours, but hard to say how long ago that was.
.... so based on previous (other thread) discussions we've had here on RL,... for a "track rat" with 18,851 miles, I would expect to see the total operating hours to still be close to the 390 shown on that report. Or at least still WITHIN 150 hours or so from the 390 hr mark. That being said, with 790 ignitions in range 1, and 195 in range 2,... my suspicion is that this motor may need some attention / diagnostics (or some more "time" driving), so that it could be proven that the engine is stable. So even if the current total operating hours is, lets say 400. That would be a avg speed of 47. That tells me that indeed much of those 18,851 miles were on the track.
as a point of reference,... to share my "findings",... several of the GT3's where I know for a fact the car has been mostly street driven,.. I'm finding that the average speed is down around 30 - 33 mph. Any of you guys see anything different?
... I'll also restate the obvious, track time is NOT a bad thing!! Pls don't hit me up on that point, cuz i agree! ... this is more about transparency & disclosure on cars FS.
anyway,... those were just my thoughts as I looked at that car FS.
For ease of locating,... for any of you who are wondering which car we are talking about. It was posted above in Post # 3345. VIN: WP0AC2A98BS783127
Updated: Calculation (this is learned behavior from Doug Lol, so I blame him,... & his Bourbon) ... 790 ignitions / 3 ignitions-per-revolution / 10,000 rev/min * 60 sec/min = 118 seconds (1.58 minutes).
...... That seems like a lot of time to spend at 9K, on a car that has a 8,400 redline. Do I have this right?
=Steve
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Last edited by bweSteve; 12-12-2019 at 06:21 PM. Reason: Calculation of over-rev impact on white GT3 FS
12-12-2019, 01:16 PM
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Updated list of GT3s needed:
- PTS 7.2 RS
- Heavily loaded 7.2 GT3, prefer Atlas or Aqua Blue (e.g. bweSteve's car LOL)
- Green 7.1 RS x2, miles OK
- White 7.1 GT3 with PCCBs, miles OK, no track rats
- not-black 7.1 GT3 with steel brakes, clean car with no stories
- 7.2 RS with FAL, Steel brakes, Buckets, Full Leather
- GT3 Touring (I know, wrong thread) with 18-ways, PCCBs
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12-12-2019, 04:05 PM
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Updated list of GT3s needed:
- PTS 7.2 RS
- Heavily loaded 7.2 GT3, prefer Atlas or Aqua Blue (e.g. bweSteve's car LOL)
- Green 7.1 RS x2, miles OK
- White 7.1 GT3 with PCCBs, miles OK, no track rats
- not-black 7.1 GT3 with steel brakes, clean car with no stories
- 7.2 RS with FAL, Steel brakes, Buckets, Full Leather
- GT3 Touring (I know, wrong thread) with 18-ways, PCCBs
12-12-2019, 06:32 PM
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I have not seen the car in person. But the PCCBs look pretty worn at first glance. Caveat. I have not seen the car in person, only an opinion from afar.
12-13-2019, 09:11 AM
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someone can chime in with more info but it is an issue that happens on the .2 GT3 and RS cars (I think the 4.0 is affected as well but I may be wrong there, it may only be the 3.8 cars). Has to do with the cam actuator bolts backing out. Can cause engine failure if it occurs. There is a fix.
more info here. https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...cking-out.html
more info here. https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...cking-out.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...cking-out.html
Sobering reads. Looks like the 3.6 Mezger with dual mass flywheel (996/997 gt3) are by far the least exposed to this problem. 3.8, 4.0, and single mass flywheels seem to change the frequency response and vibrational dynamics and introduce harmonics/resonance at lower rpms that loosen things up inside over time.
Not convinced that this “dampener” fix is the optimal way to remove or even dampen these harmonics. Have seen no empirical (tests) or theoretical evidence (math) to support this claim. I doubt that Porsche engineers have been unaware for decades that adding, removing, or shifting mass around changes the frequency characteristics of a dynamic mechanical system.
From that thread, from the maker of the dampener:
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...l#post12035556
"3.6L in the 996 and 7 are fine. Haven't heard of any issues unless you bore it out. Even bored to a 4.0L from a 3.6L is fine. It's the extra stroke that gets you..."
At this point, I've banished any thoughts of "upgrading" my 6gt3 to a single mass flywheel or other RS bits in that area. Or “upgrading” to a 7.2 RS at >2x the price. My 6gt3 is looking ever more precious.
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12-13-2019, 10:52 AM
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Thx. There’s also this thread:
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...cking-out.html
Sobering reads. Looks like the 3.6 Mezger with dual mass flywheel (996/997 gt3) are by far the least exposed to this problem. 3.8, 4.0, and single mass flywheels seem to change the frequency response and vibrational dynamics and introduce harmonics/resonance at lower rpms that loosen things up inside over time.
Not convinced that this “dampener” fix is the optimal way to remove or even dampen these harmonics. Have seen no empirical (tests) or theoretical evidence (math) to support this claim. I doubt that Porsche engineers have been unaware for decades that adding, removing, or shifting mass around changes the frequency characteristics of a dynamic mechanical system.
From that thread, from the maker of the dampener:
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...l#post12035556
"3.6L in the 996 and 7 are fine. Haven't heard of any issues unless you bore it out. Even bored to a 4.0L from a 3.6L is fine. It's the extra stroke that gets you..."
At this point, I've banished any thoughts of "upgrading" my 6gt3 to a single mass flywheel or other RS bits in that area. Or “upgrading” to a 7.2 RS at >2x the price. My 6gt3 is looking ever more precious.
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...cking-out.html
Sobering reads. Looks like the 3.6 Mezger with dual mass flywheel (996/997 gt3) are by far the least exposed to this problem. 3.8, 4.0, and single mass flywheels seem to change the frequency response and vibrational dynamics and introduce harmonics/resonance at lower rpms that loosen things up inside over time.
Not convinced that this “dampener” fix is the optimal way to remove or even dampen these harmonics. Have seen no empirical (tests) or theoretical evidence (math) to support this claim. I doubt that Porsche engineers have been unaware for decades that adding, removing, or shifting mass around changes the frequency characteristics of a dynamic mechanical system.
From that thread, from the maker of the dampener:
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...l#post12035556
"3.6L in the 996 and 7 are fine. Haven't heard of any issues unless you bore it out. Even bored to a 4.0L from a 3.6L is fine. It's the extra stroke that gets you..."
At this point, I've banished any thoughts of "upgrading" my 6gt3 to a single mass flywheel or other RS bits in that area. Or “upgrading” to a 7.2 RS at >2x the price. My 6gt3 is looking ever more precious.
After over six years of ownership and now approaching 42K miles, aside from a starter rebuild last Summer - ZERO issues. No RMS seepage, nothing. My 997.1 GT3 has been the most reliable Porsche of the 22 that I've been fortunate to own since 1972.
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