Tedster

Maybe the best hope is a Cayman GT4? Mid engined flat six, 18" wheels, few nannies as legally marketable. Or, just hold on to my 996 GT3 and rebuild it.

Yargk

7:34 is the most disappointing. 991 S does it in 7:37. GT3 should be at least 5 seconds faster.

Alan Smithee

Yes, the electronic e-brake is a foregone conclusion. I believe it was discussed/ranted about when some interior spy photos circulated in the last year.

Wait for the backlash if/when they fit an 'interior sound enhancing device' in the GT3, as is on the current 991 models...

Mike in CA

A few posts back, pictures were posted of 991 GT3 mules running around on 20" P Zero's not MPSC's. I've read elsewhere that the 991S that did a 7:37.9 was on MPSC's. Was the GT3 at the Ring on 20" SC's? Is there even such a thing yet? Who was driving? What were track conditions? Was it an official Porsche test? Lot's of questions, as with everything else on this subject, but don't let that keep anyone from continuing to predict that the sky is falling.

The fastest posted 997.2 GT3 Ring time is 7:40 and the 997.2 GT3/RS is 7:33. so it's not like a 7:34 is crap to begin with, even though it's very likely not representative of the best that a 991 GT3 will be able to do.

Reality check complete. Back to regularly scheduled negative, doom and gloom programming.........

Xeattle

Is this similar to what they've done with the new M5...?

Mike in CA

FWIW, no. BMW pipes engine noise over the sound system. Porsche uses a port that ducts actual intake sound from the engine compartment into the cabin.

rijowysock

i think its funny how they cover up the porsche badges. when the 911 has looked the same for 40 years.

MaxLTV

I moved from #3 to #2 in line today, so the doom and gloom campaign seems to be working

Yargk

All good points. The 991 S is so much better than the 997 that, imho, a 991 S wil 460+ hp, better aero, less sound deadening, stiffer suspension, and lighter weight would make a fine GT3. (basically please make it faster and more uncomfortable, the 991 S is too comfortable, in all seriousness).

But on the same tires, it needs to be at least 1 second faster around the tracks we usually drive, otherwise there's nothing one can point to for the reason the car is uncomfortable. More than 1 second on our short tracks is probably like more than 5 seconds (again on similar tires) on the ring.

911rox

With the greatest of respect Mike, a gt3 doing hot or cold testing doesn't need to be on MPSCs thus why the mules are prancing around on Pzeros... You can bet your bottom dollar that the cars setting lap times at the NBR will be on MPSC or Trofeo... You don't believe that Porsche would run a CS on cups and their track car on streets do you?

As for the laptime, if true, its sad... I'd expect a 5-7 second improvement from the chassis alone as per every previous GT car and then a further 4-5 from the "benefits" of the pdk... If this car isn't doing 7.30 or less, that is a poor result for the "advances" introduced IMO...

FYI... eVen the Carrera S made a 12 sec gain from 997.2 to 991 (pdk and MPSC) on both... If that wasn't a typo that should have read 7.24 then its going to be a **** result...

Mike in CA

I agree, if only we knew whether that 991 GT3 that some salesman said allegedly did 7:34 was actually on the same tires as the 991S that did 7:37.9, or in fact anything else about the test. Just sayin'......

Sure 911rox, I understand that there's no need for the mules to be on MSPC's. My point was that there are so many unknowns about that 7:34, not just what kind of tires were used, that to use it as a yardstick to judge the car or compare it to any other times rises to the level of almost total irrelevance. I hate to fall into the trap of making predictions with so little information, but just based on the performance of the 991 versus the 997.2 in general, I'd be astonished if the 991 GT3 didn't show the kind of performance gains you're talking about. Logically it just wouldn't make sense if it didn't.

TRAKCAR

I'd order my 991 GT3 in sand white and umber with ventilated seats and PDCC PTV PASM AS PSE whatever that all means The C2S has to go, Cayenne S and A3 TDI

wanna911

What do you mean was it an official Porsche test? Who else is going to test a car that hasn't even been revealed yet and then release times on it? Hasn't one of the higher ups already said the car would be about as fast as the 3.8 RS? That's still a fail relative to the 991S no matter how you look at it..........

It's no more than an X51....... with a GT3 badge on it.

Mike in CA

Yeah, if I'd left out that alphabet stuff and named my cars with numbers and a complete equipment list it would have been so much cooler.....



Other than that a salesman quoted the time to a customer and it was posted in a web forum, I don't know anything else about the "test" that supposedly produced a 7:34. Do you? If so, please share. If not, it seems silly to make definitve declarations based on such sketchy, unsubstantiated information.

But let's assume the unlikely possibility that 7:34 is the best a 991 GT3 can do. That's also almost identical to the best a 997 GT3/RS can do. If that time makes the 991 GT3 a fail relative to the 991S, doesn't that mean the RS is a relative fail too?

Bill_C4S

Hmmm...how best to describe this thread.

1. Much Ado about Nothing
2. A Comedy of Errors
3. As You Like It
4. Love's Labour's Lost
5. All's Well that Ends Well...

or

6. Tempest (more likely storm in a teacup)

With sincere apologies to the Bard.