Draft: Visit Europe with your GT3
08-22-2012, 11:16 AM
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I´ve been told that there are stricter rules today by a person that been visiting the ring for more than 20 years. However he used to rent cars at the airport not to many years ago. What I really wanted to say with that comment was that a standard car is enough when learning how the track goes. Rental cars don´t have a lot of power or speed and because of that you can focus on getting the corners right. I took my 993 Turbo there the first time and truth to be told I had no real use for the cars capacity. One way to learn the track more quickly is to book the Scuderia Hanseat course. For beginners it´s a good "crash course" to learn the track. And its a nice social event as well as you meet people from all over the world. Driving around during the tourist drive with other cars can be very scary if you don´t know the track. There are a lot of persons that puts their ego before their and others safety. One has to focus more to watch out for traffic in the rear view mirror than whats going on in front of the car.
Another advice I have is to use street tires because of the changing weather conditions on the Nürburgring. Track tires are not really necessary until you really get to know the track.
Another advice I have is to use street tires because of the changing weather conditions on the Nürburgring. Track tires are not really necessary until you really get to know the track.
08-22-2012, 11:23 AM
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Track tires for me is MPSC, Toyo R888 etc. They are street legal, but not really suitable as a street tire. I would leave them at home when visiting the ring for the first time as said.
I saw a couple of accidents on the ring when people did not have their MPCS, Toyos up to temperature. The ring is not that hard on tires like a normal track in my experience.
08-22-2012, 11:30 AM
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I used Bridgestone S02 on my Turbo. What really killed my tires where not the Nordschleife, but the trip from Sweden and back on the Autobahn twice. That is also something to consider driving around on a Euro trip with a car like the GT3. Maybe set it up for street driving more than track driving.
Track tires for me is MPSC, Toyo R888 etc. They are street legal, but not really suitable as a street tire. I would leave them at home when visiting the ring for the first time as said.
I saw a couple of accidents on the ring when people did not have their MPCS, Toyos up to temperature. The ring is not that hard on tires like a normal track in my experience.
Track tires for me is MPSC, Toyo R888 etc. They are street legal, but not really suitable as a street tire. I would leave them at home when visiting the ring for the first time as said.
I saw a couple of accidents on the ring when people did not have their MPCS, Toyos up to temperature. The ring is not that hard on tires like a normal track in my experience.
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08-22-2012, 11:34 AM
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If running on the Autobahn at vMax, most definitely have your car set up for street driving. Manthey can set it up for track driving on arrival.
Do not destroy your street tyres by running over the curbs, the ratterstein are not too bad in that respect.
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Do not destroy your street tyres by running over the curbs, the ratterstein are not too bad in that respect.
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08-22-2012, 11:40 AM
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I'd probably ship my car over on Supersports, great fro road driving and fast enough to have fun on tracks you don't know well yet.
I have seen 2 cars hit the wall in the rain on MPSC and I sold them new of both my RS. I consider them undrivable in heavy rain, even when they are new.
I have seen 2 cars hit the wall in the rain on MPSC and I sold them new of both my RS. I consider them undrivable in heavy rain, even when they are new.
08-22-2012, 12:33 PM
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The main problem with that was that pretty much all the UK insurers wanted the lic plate # from a UK registered car ... not really relevant to this discussion, as you point out there are many niggling differences that need to be taken care of, side markers, headlamp dipping, rear fog light etc etc ...
The main problem with that was that pretty much all the UK insurers wanted the lic plate # from a UK registered car ... not really relevant to this discussion, as you point out there are many niggling differences that need to be taken care of, side markers, headlamp dipping, rear fog light etc etc ...
Seriously, you get to walk into an office and speak to a real person and get a policy that suits your requirements. Make sure you have a statement from your US insurer setting out your NCB (or franchise? in US speak)
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08-22-2012, 03:56 PM
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Try these guys if entering eu via the uk, specialist broker with plenty of Porsche and track experience.
http://www.manninguk.com/automotive/porsche.php
They will not write a policy on a US plate.
Is this what they said? I have bought cars in Germany before and driven through Europe en route the the uk insured using the VIN number, the plate is irrelevant.
Do you mean US spec vehicle?
Originally Posted by ttdan
Try these guys if entering eu via the uk, specialist broker with plenty of Porsche and track experience.
http://www.manninguk.com/automotive/porsche.php
They will not write a policy on a US plate.
Is this what they said? I have bought cars in Germany before and driven through Europe en route the the uk insured using the VIN number, the plate is irrelevant.
Do you mean US spec vehicle?
08-22-2012, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ttdan
Try these guys if entering eu via the uk, specialist broker with plenty of Porsche and track experience.
http://www.manninguk.com/automotive/porsche.php
They will not write a policy on a US plate.
Is this what they said? I have bought cars in Germany before and driven through Europe en route the the uk insured using the VIN number, the plate is irrelevant.
Do you mean US spec vehicle?
Originally Posted by ttdan
Try these guys if entering eu via the uk, specialist broker with plenty of Porsche and track experience.
http://www.manninguk.com/automotive/porsche.php
They will not write a policy on a US plate.
Is this what they said? I have bought cars in Germany before and driven through Europe en route the the uk insured using the VIN number, the plate is irrelevant.
Do you mean US spec vehicle?
08-22-2012, 04:33 PM
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the cars were new from a German dealer, registration was not existing until I returned it to the uk. I drove them for about 6 weeks on the vin . The cars did have a license plate it was a German issued transit plate ( the red letters on white ones) but the insurer was unaware of this as it was not known in advance of collecting the cars. I was even pulled by the police in the uk with no issues as my documents clearly identified I was insured for that particular car via the VIN.
An insurer wants to establish a specific vehicle, VIN actually does that better than a licence plate. The authorities want to know you are insured for the specific vehicle you are driving, the VIN does that too. Just my own experience.
An insurer wants to establish a specific vehicle, VIN actually does that better than a licence plate. The authorities want to know you are insured for the specific vehicle you are driving, the VIN does that too. Just my own experience.
08-22-2012, 04:39 PM
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the cars were new from a German dealer, registration was not existing until I returned it to the uk. I drove them for about 6 weeks on the vin . The cars did have a license plate it was a German issued transit plate ( the red letters on white ones) but the insurer was unaware of this as it was not known in advance of collecting the cars. I was even pulled by the police in the uk with no issues as my documents clearly identified I was insured for that particular car via the VIN.
An insurer wants to establish a specific vehicle, VIN actually does that better than a licence plate. The authorities want to know you are insured for the specific vehicle you are driving, the VIN does that too. Just my own experience.
An insurer wants to establish a specific vehicle, VIN actually does that better than a licence plate. The authorities want to know you are insured for the specific vehicle you are driving, the VIN does that too. Just my own experience.
08-22-2012, 05:07 PM
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Maybe, but you'll all be back home by then. Of course if the car is there long term they would expect it to be registered locally. All you need is legal, robust cover while you are actually there.
08-23-2012, 04:49 AM
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Try these guys if entering eu via the uk, specialist broker with plenty of Porsche and track experience.
http://www.manninguk.com/automotive/porsche.php
http://www.manninguk.com/automotive/porsche.php
Quote:
Originally Posted by ttdan
Try these guys if entering eu via the uk, specialist broker with plenty of Porsche and track experience.
http://www.manninguk.com/automotive/porsche.php
They will not write a policy on a US plate.
Is this what they said? I have bought cars in Germany before and driven through Europe en route the the uk insured using the VIN number, the plate is irrelevant.
Do you mean US spec vehicle?
Originally Posted by ttdan
Try these guys if entering eu via the uk, specialist broker with plenty of Porsche and track experience.
http://www.manninguk.com/automotive/porsche.php
They will not write a policy on a US plate.
Is this what they said? I have bought cars in Germany before and driven through Europe en route the the uk insured using the VIN number, the plate is irrelevant.
Do you mean US spec vehicle?
I have spoken with three or four specialist insurers in the UK... thus far, they aren't willing to write a policy on a US plate nor a VIN where the intention is touring. If you have a carrier who might, I'm happy to make the call.
I've contacted Lloyds, a bit of a hassle as they prefer you to work with the brokers... So I must call around a bit as the brokers don't have a standard auto policy per se.
08-23-2012, 06:24 AM
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That's why I say use a Lloyds broker.
One of the benefits of Lloyds is that they do not have 'standard policies'. You discuss your requirements with the broker, he writes the risk down and goes and finds a lead underwriter who sets a rate and takes a proportion of the risk, once this has been done the broker goes round other underwriters to get them to take up the balance of the risk amongst themselves. Or that's how it used to be done.
When you write off your GT3, they ring the Lutine Bell..... (not really, need to be ship sized for that).
Zurich in Zürich write these policies on a daily basis and I note that my elderly mother (she is a 'Name' at Lloyds with unlimited risk) has a lot of her own insurance written by a subsidiary of Allianz, so I would look there too.
In any event you need to talk to a broker rather than a call centre, preferably a broker who has at some stage of his life walked round the boxes with a ticket to get a risk underwritten.
IMPORTANT
Lloyds (of London), the insurance organisation is nothing to do with Lloyds or Lloyds TSB, the huge but dim and dismal bank which flogs motor insurance to the unsuspecting.
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08-23-2012, 11:11 AM
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No, I mean US plate. I spoke with Manning yesterday. If someone claimed an intention to register in the UK, perhaps they might have some luck. The risk is that when it comes to making a claim with the actual carrier, they take a closer look (this does happen).
I have spoken with three or four specialist insurers in the UK... thus far, they aren't willing to write a policy on a US plate nor a VIN where the intention is touring. If you have a carrier who might, I'm happy to make the call.
I've contacted Lloyds, a bit of a hassle as they prefer you to work with the brokers... So I must call around a bit as the brokers don't have a standard auto policy per se.
I have spoken with three or four specialist insurers in the UK... thus far, they aren't willing to write a policy on a US plate nor a VIN where the intention is touring. If you have a carrier who might, I'm happy to make the call.
I've contacted Lloyds, a bit of a hassle as they prefer you to work with the brokers... So I must call around a bit as the brokers don't have a standard auto policy per se.
08-23-2012, 11:13 AM
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that's the key, what happens when you have to make a claim while in the "temporary" unregistered state is not what I would want to test ...