991 gt3 RS Transmission Choices - Further Speculation!
08-21-2012, 02:50 AM
#46
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08-21-2012, 07:45 PM
#48
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it will be a PDK with a longer shift lever and be called PDK-SS
SS standing for "sorta sequential"
it will be "derived from motorsports" in that they will use a copy of the lever that is used in the cup cars
there will not be a clutch pedal with the PDK-SS
it will be faster but will not hold up or be warranted with track use
it will not economically feasible to rebuild it... only to replace it
and in an homage to past porsches, they will make ordering deviated stitching for the shift boot its own option and make it obscure so that most miss it all togethger... because the germans love that we miss that option...
SS standing for "sorta sequential"
it will be "derived from motorsports" in that they will use a copy of the lever that is used in the cup cars
there will not be a clutch pedal with the PDK-SS
it will be faster but will not hold up or be warranted with track use
it will not economically feasible to rebuild it... only to replace it
and in an homage to past porsches, they will make ordering deviated stitching for the shift boot its own option and make it obscure so that most miss it all togethger... because the germans love that we miss that option...
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They aren't making any street gearbox sequential ever. At least not in the traditional motorsports sense of the word. A sequential gearbox is a dog box with the added feature of removing the H-pattern shifting through an internal drum...
08-22-2012, 08:39 PM
#50
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Is PDK in the 991 the same as what is in the new Boxster? I got a new gen Boxster S to drive for the day today. It has PDK. I really don't like it much. In regular mode it shifts to the highest gear possible for your speed, presumably to achieve the best gas mileage. In this mode, it's basically just an automatic car. In Sport mode, it lets the car rev higher before selecting the next gear. And it will down shift on its own- many times in a jerky sort of way. Sport plus it seems you do the upshifting, but it will again down shift on its own- again in not a smooth way. Maybe I'm not using it correctly, but I can't imagine getting an RS with this. Plus the shifting buttons on the steering wheel are small. Paddles like the Ferrari system would be much better.
08-22-2012, 09:06 PM
#51
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Is PDK in the 991 the same as what is in the new Boxster? I got a new gen Boxster S to drive for the day today. It has PDK. I really don't like it much. In regular mode it shifts to the highest gear possible for your speed, presumably to achieve the best gas mileage. In this mode, it's basically just an automatic car. In Sport mode, it lets the car rev higher before selecting the next gear. And it will down shift on its own- many times in a jerky sort of way. Sport plus it seems you do the upshifting, but it will again down shift on its own- again in not a smooth way. Maybe I'm not using it correctly, but I can't imagine getting an RS with this. Plus the shifting buttons on the steering wheel are small. Paddles like the Ferrari system would be much better.
if (engineRPM > 2500) shift(UP);
thank god for "flappy paddles" ...
back OT, I kinda liked the PDK on the 997 C2S ... but maybe the programming has changed for the 981/991 ...
08-22-2012, 09:11 PM
#52
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Is PDK in the 991 the same as what is in the new Boxster? I got a new gen Boxster S to drive for the day today. It has PDK. I really don't like it much. In regular mode it shifts to the highest gear possible for your speed, presumably to achieve the best gas mileage. In this mode, it's basically just an automatic car. In Sport mode, it lets the car rev higher before selecting the next gear. And it will down shift on its own- many times in a jerky sort of way. Sport plus it seems you do the upshifting, but it will again down shift on its own- again in not a smooth way. Maybe I'm not using it correctly, but I can't imagine getting an RS with this. Plus the shifting buttons on the steering wheel are small. Paddles like the Ferrari system would be much better.
One the street, in manual mode, it should be used exactly as you would use a stick; choosing your own shift points for downshifts and upshifts with the advantage of instant shifts under all throttle loads and no lift shifting. PDK will not let you lug the engine; it will downshift on it's own even in manual mode as you come to a stop for example, but my experience is that it seems to do so more smoothly than any of the auto modes. If you downshift yourself in a timely fashion it will rarely interfere.
BTW, Auto Sport + will stay in each gear until redline so that's no doubt why you thought it wouldn't upshift automatically in that mode; it will shift eventually. And you're right, the dual mode buttons aren't nearly as satisfying to use as the paddle shifters available on the Sport wheel, which I'm sure would come standard on the GT3/RS.
08-23-2012, 12:12 PM
#54
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I poo poo'd the PDK from afar based on the concept and then one day John at BGB tossed me the keys to their Cayman R with PDK and told me to go flog on it in sport+ mode. I had a blast. It shifted pretty much exactly when and where I would have shifted, both up and down. And it could sense when I was braking deep and hard and would double downshift so that I could launch out on the other side of the apexes. Really changed my opinion of the gearbox. I would now consider daily driving one if it was going to be a 2-3 times a year track toy. But I don't think I would ever want one for a dedicated track car. Too much of the driving experience is removed from the equation.
08-23-2012, 05:16 PM
#55
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After driving the Boxster S with PDK for 2 days, I am pretty certain I would not buy the new RS if it is PDK only. Sorry, I'm not THAT old, but I guess I'm old school in this regard- I like shifting. PDK is boring to me. I don't care if it knows when to shift better than me. I want to do it on my own. Everything else about the car is pretty sweet, including the interior which is very nice. An RS with the new interior and 7sp manual would be pretty killer for me.
08-23-2012, 06:22 PM
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08-23-2012, 06:23 PM
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After driving the Boxster S with PDK for 2 days, I am pretty certain I would not buy the new RS if it is PDK only. Sorry, I'm not THAT old, but I guess I'm old school in this regard- I like shifting. PDK is boring to me. I don't care if it knows when to shift better than me. I want to do it on my own. Everything else about the car is pretty sweet, including the interior which is very nice. An RS with the new interior and 7sp manual would be pretty killer for me.
08-23-2012, 06:28 PM
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08-23-2012, 06:30 PM
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08-23-2012, 08:35 PM
#60
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Don't know but I would guess they are bagging it for the 991TT. My dealer said all cars are coming PDK now and manual is special order. I just hope that will apply to the new GT3 and RS as well - that I can special order my junky old manual tranny.