Hoosier R6 longevity & cost vs R compound street tire AT THE TRACK
03-22-2012, 01:03 AM
#78
30 HCs on Hoosiers??? And 30psi?? Wow. I'm lucky to get 20 HCs. I'm happy to get 16. My car is 3400 lbs loaded, and needs closer to 36-38 lbs to reach proper temperatures. If you have pyrometer readings at 30 psi, can you post them?
When I first started running Hoosiers, maybe 5 years go, I could nurse ~25ish+ HCs, but those times were many seconds slower than the car and tires would hold (compared to now). Put differently, finding 2-3 seconds a lap dropped at least that many HCs fom their life. I prefer the fast.
-td
When I first started running Hoosiers, maybe 5 years go, I could nurse ~25ish+ HCs, but those times were many seconds slower than the car and tires would hold (compared to now). Put differently, finding 2-3 seconds a lap dropped at least that many HCs fom their life. I prefer the fast.
-td
03-22-2012, 01:51 AM
#79
If you mean 888's, nothing will help, but I speak from hearsay and as far as I can tell, nobody really likes 888's and has ever needed to study the tenths and hundredths of their lap times ... : )
If you mean RA1, I'm out of touch, but when I drove on RA1's, they were famous for defying all reasonable expectations in terms of grip all the way down to the canvas. I know there have been times when the RA1 wasn't available or the compound changed and then was changed back, but I didn't keep track because they didn't have 19's for these newfangled flanged centerlocks.
My current philosophy is to try the PSS (Super Sport) when sizes become available ... slower outright lap times don't matter if the tire is consistent, handles the heat, doesn't chunk out like the Sport Cups, doesn't go rock hard, etc.
If RA1 ever shows up in sizes in 19's in the "original" compound, that will be the reference model. For now, I really can't complain about the R6's and the stock suspension can't take much more stick. I've seen one guy come within ridiculously close times in his RS 4.0 vs his '11 Cup (same day) and my own lap times left no doubt in my mind that I'm not begging for more from the tires, if anything, it's time to go deeper into the safety equipment budget before asking for higher apex speeds or deeper braking points.
If there was a thought for 2012, it would be to go to Hoosier and coordinate an RL group buy. Even if everyone just went in for one set (I think most track junkies would take three or five sets if it meant saving $500+ per set) it would tell Michelin "game over" and it would be a helluva tasty carrot for Toyo to realize "holy lost revenue, batman!" then we might see the RA1 in 19's for the GT3 and RS sizes, then we might see a Sport Cup that's not a ridiculously overpriced answer to a question that nobody asked. Maybe even Pirelli or Avon or Dunlop would offer a slick.
If you mean RA1, I'm out of touch, but when I drove on RA1's, they were famous for defying all reasonable expectations in terms of grip all the way down to the canvas. I know there have been times when the RA1 wasn't available or the compound changed and then was changed back, but I didn't keep track because they didn't have 19's for these newfangled flanged centerlocks.
My current philosophy is to try the PSS (Super Sport) when sizes become available ... slower outright lap times don't matter if the tire is consistent, handles the heat, doesn't chunk out like the Sport Cups, doesn't go rock hard, etc.
If RA1 ever shows up in sizes in 19's in the "original" compound, that will be the reference model. For now, I really can't complain about the R6's and the stock suspension can't take much more stick. I've seen one guy come within ridiculously close times in his RS 4.0 vs his '11 Cup (same day) and my own lap times left no doubt in my mind that I'm not begging for more from the tires, if anything, it's time to go deeper into the safety equipment budget before asking for higher apex speeds or deeper braking points.
If there was a thought for 2012, it would be to go to Hoosier and coordinate an RL group buy. Even if everyone just went in for one set (I think most track junkies would take three or five sets if it meant saving $500+ per set) it would tell Michelin "game over" and it would be a helluva tasty carrot for Toyo to realize "holy lost revenue, batman!" then we might see the RA1 in 19's for the GT3 and RS sizes, then we might see a Sport Cup that's not a ridiculously overpriced answer to a question that nobody asked. Maybe even Pirelli or Avon or Dunlop would offer a slick.
03-22-2012, 02:02 AM
#80
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If there was a thought for 2012, it would be to go to Hoosier and coordinate an RL group buy. Even if everyone just went in for one set (I think most track junkies would take three or five sets if it meant saving $500+ per set) it would tell Michelin "game over" and it would be a helluva tasty carrot for Toyo to realize "holy lost revenue, batman!" then we might see the RA1 in 19's for the GT3 and RS sizes, then we might see a Sport Cup that's not a ridiculously overpriced answer to a question that nobody asked. Maybe even Pirelli or Avon or Dunlop would offer a slick.
03-22-2012, 08:58 AM
#81
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In the wet they were a pleasant surprise. Excellent lateral grip, "defying reasonable expectations" as another poster put it. Decelerative grip leaves a bit to be desired, but the conditions were downright appalling for me to blame it all on the tire.Longevity is the biggest surprise here. 40 laps (including a handful of very sideways and occasionally smokey moments) later these things look almost like when they started. Seems to live up to the 280+ treadwear claim...
03-22-2012, 09:20 AM
#82
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Hopefully the release this summer will be everything we are expecting and more. I have 2 sets track wheels in addition to the 19" stock rims that have the stock OEM tires. I only use BBS as these are the same wheels on all the Cup cars. I have heard stories of other wheels failing and I am not willing to take that risk for saving $ on cheaper wheels. Yes, I tow my GT3 in a big rig. But come next fall I will not have the GT3 and big rig in FL anymore. Just the new RS parked at Orbit with 8 extra wheels. I will have to rely on the kindness of others to bring my track wheels/tires to Sebring for me. PITA for sure. Guess I will be buying lots of beer at the hotel each night.
Exactly! And I'm coming up with a new system to make it super easy to take the hitch on and off. Although I do admit I like running at the track with it on. Keeps Randy that much further off my bumper. Tire trailer is easily one of the best track mods I've done so far.
03-22-2012, 09:26 AM
#83
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I wonder if it because the Hoosiers are moving on the rims, messing up the computer? Because they generate more grip, I have seen numerous cases of Hoosiers moving on rims. Had a client last weekend where rears moved nearly 180 degrees and fronts 90 degrees. Tire mounters used soap, which is more common than you think
They are much mor eprone to punctures via some object that regular street tires would just laugh at, because they are so thin. I'd avoid it.
They are much mor eprone to punctures via some object that regular street tires would just laugh at, because they are so thin. I'd avoid it.
03-22-2012, 09:49 AM
#84
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03-22-2012, 10:24 AM
#86
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If you mean 888's, nothing will help, but I speak from hearsay and as far as I can tell, nobody really likes 888's and has ever needed to study the tenths and hundredths of their lap times ... : )
If you mean RA1, I'm out of touch, but when I drove on RA1's, they were famous for defying all reasonable expectations in terms of grip all the way down to the canvas. I know there have been times when the RA1 wasn't available or the compound changed and then was changed back, but I didn't keep track because they didn't have 19's for these newfangled flanged centerlocks.
My current philosophy is to try the PSS (Super Sport) when sizes become available ... slower outright lap times don't matter if the tire is consistent, handles the heat, doesn't chunk out like the Sport Cups, doesn't go rock hard, etc.
If RA1 ever shows up in sizes in 19's in the "original" compound, that will be the reference model. For now, I really can't complain about the R6's and the stock suspension can't take much more stick. I've seen one guy come within ridiculously close times in his RS 4.0 vs his '11 Cup (same day) and my own lap times left no doubt in my mind that I'm not begging for more from the tires, if anything, it's time to go deeper into the safety equipment budget before asking for higher apex speeds or deeper braking points.
If there was a thought for 2012, it would be to go to Hoosier and coordinate an RL group buy. Even if everyone just went in for one set (I think most track junkies would take three or five sets if it meant saving $500+ per set) it would tell Michelin "game over" and it would be a helluva tasty carrot for Toyo to realize "holy lost revenue, batman!" then we might see the RA1 in 19's for the GT3 and RS sizes, then we might see a Sport Cup that's not a ridiculously overpriced answer to a question that nobody asked. Maybe even Pirelli or Avon or Dunlop would offer a slick.
If you mean RA1, I'm out of touch, but when I drove on RA1's, they were famous for defying all reasonable expectations in terms of grip all the way down to the canvas. I know there have been times when the RA1 wasn't available or the compound changed and then was changed back, but I didn't keep track because they didn't have 19's for these newfangled flanged centerlocks.
My current philosophy is to try the PSS (Super Sport) when sizes become available ... slower outright lap times don't matter if the tire is consistent, handles the heat, doesn't chunk out like the Sport Cups, doesn't go rock hard, etc.
If RA1 ever shows up in sizes in 19's in the "original" compound, that will be the reference model. For now, I really can't complain about the R6's and the stock suspension can't take much more stick. I've seen one guy come within ridiculously close times in his RS 4.0 vs his '11 Cup (same day) and my own lap times left no doubt in my mind that I'm not begging for more from the tires, if anything, it's time to go deeper into the safety equipment budget before asking for higher apex speeds or deeper braking points.
If there was a thought for 2012, it would be to go to Hoosier and coordinate an RL group buy. Even if everyone just went in for one set (I think most track junkies would take three or five sets if it meant saving $500+ per set) it would tell Michelin "game over" and it would be a helluva tasty carrot for Toyo to realize "holy lost revenue, batman!" then we might see the RA1 in 19's for the GT3 and RS sizes, then we might see a Sport Cup that's not a ridiculously overpriced answer to a question that nobody asked. Maybe even Pirelli or Avon or Dunlop would offer a slick.
We still have a few years worth of RA1's, so hoping for a re-release of 18" RA1's as I have 2 sets of BBS 18". If not Group buy Hoosiers it is.
I will try to put one or 2 sessions on RA1's and switch sets this weekend. perhaps it helps. Or can it be only one session?
03-22-2012, 10:24 AM
#87
Race Director
03-22-2012, 10:30 AM
#88
Race Director
I was watching the Michelin and Dunlop guys mount race tires during the Sebring 12hr race last Saturday.
1- most all the race wheels have a knurled finish on the bead of the wheel. Much like the Ray's wheels Savyboy is selling.
2- Neither Michelin or Dunlop mount tires dry. I asked a guy from Michelin about mounting dry and he said too much of a risk in damaging the tire bead, too hard to mount if you try to mount dry.
03-22-2012, 10:35 AM
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it's the only semi i've used. so, i've learnt whatever i know on ghetto tyres?
AWESOME!!!!!!!!
can't wait to switch up to luxury tyres, only thing is, i'm not tracking atm
03-22-2012, 10:43 AM
#90
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If there was a thought for 2012, it would be to go to Hoosier and coordinate an RL group buy. Even if everyone just went in for one set (I think most track junkies would take three or five sets if it meant saving $500+ per set) it would tell Michelin "game over" and it would be a helluva tasty carrot for Toyo to realize "holy lost revenue, batman!" then we might see the RA1 in 19's for the GT3 and RS sizes, then we might see a Sport Cup that's not a ridiculously overpriced answer to a question that nobody asked. Maybe even Pirelli or Avon or Dunlop would offer a slick.
Let me know how that works out.
