Drove a brand new 991S and 997GTS
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There is no question that porsche will be selling the 991 like hot cakes and maybe even in record numbers, but most people who buy porsches are not porsche enthusiasts, they just have deep pockets and are looking for the next new hip thing and most porsche owners don't wrench on them like people on this site.
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Get over it people. Every 911 series is more refined than the last one. Thats why they made the GT series. Think about it and save yourself hours of mind numbing time on these boards.
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While I'm seeing a few new 991s penetrating the area here I'm not seeing the 991s taking off at the same clip that the 997s did. Perhaps it's the stagnant economy that is keeping the sales a bit sluggish.
Porsche's greatest challenge is to always deliver the best handling sports cars in the world. They don't have to have the best 0-60 sprint times nor the best of anything else--but they have to be the bet handling. And, by the way, if they can keep them looking good at the same time, more power to them.
As a Porsche guy since 1973 I applaud Porsche for introducing more varied new models to their lineup. When I got started with Porsche it was either a 911 or a 914 to consider. We're thinking that the next will be a Panamera just for the added capacity--but will be keeping the 997S Cabriolet for really quick runs!
Porsche's greatest challenge is to always deliver the best handling sports cars in the world. They don't have to have the best 0-60 sprint times nor the best of anything else--but they have to be the bet handling. And, by the way, if they can keep them looking good at the same time, more power to them.
As a Porsche guy since 1973 I applaud Porsche for introducing more varied new models to their lineup. When I got started with Porsche it was either a 911 or a 914 to consider. We're thinking that the next will be a Panamera just for the added capacity--but will be keeping the 997S Cabriolet for really quick runs!
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While I'm seeing a few new 991s penetrating the area here I'm not seeing the 991s taking off at the same clip that the 997s did. Perhaps it's the stagnant economy that is keeping the sales a bit sluggish.
Porsche's greatest challenge is to always deliver the best handling sports cars in the world. They don't have to have the best 0-60 sprint times nor the best of anything else--but they have to be the bet handling. And, by the way, if they can keep them looking good at the same time, more power to them.
As a Porsche guy since 1973 I applaud Porsche for introducing more varied new models to their lineup. When I got started with Porsche it was either a 911 or a 914 to consider. We're thinking that the next will be a Panamera just for the added capacity--but will be keeping the 997S Cabriolet for really quick runs!
Porsche's greatest challenge is to always deliver the best handling sports cars in the world. They don't have to have the best 0-60 sprint times nor the best of anything else--but they have to be the bet handling. And, by the way, if they can keep them looking good at the same time, more power to them.
As a Porsche guy since 1973 I applaud Porsche for introducing more varied new models to their lineup. When I got started with Porsche it was either a 911 or a 914 to consider. We're thinking that the next will be a Panamera just for the added capacity--but will be keeping the 997S Cabriolet for really quick runs!
I was at a Porsche Dealer today and I saw a 991S and 997S side by side. Beautiful cars but a far cry from the first 911 iterations which were pure sports cars. My 1970 911 had an AM radio, but no air conditioning, no power windows or seats, no cup holders, and no sun roof. Porsches today have all of the amenities of luxury cars, and of course are significantly larger and heavier than my first 911.
Buyers of those early 911s were pure sports cars devotees, and I understand that if Porsche did not cater to the needs of their" professional class" buyers, Porsche would not have survived. Some say that the last "real" 911 was the 993. Although I don't agree with that sentiment, I certainly can understand where it comes from.
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Fast forward to the year 2020:
Wow ... just drove a brand new 992S back to back with the 991GTS. The 992S just does not feel like the sportcar that the 991GTS is ... etc, etc.
Every few years we have the same discussion guys (and gals) ... your perception is your reality ... but they do get better with every gen.
Wow ... just drove a brand new 992S back to back with the 991GTS. The 992S just does not feel like the sportcar that the 991GTS is ... etc, etc.
Every few years we have the same discussion guys (and gals) ... your perception is your reality ... but they do get better with every gen.
Last edited by Harvey Yancey; 06-09-2012 at 10:53 PM.
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Porsche's greatest challenge is to always deliver the best handling sports cars in the world. They don't have to have the best 0-60 sprint times nor the best of anything else--but they have to be the bet handling. And, by the way, if they can keep them looking good at the same time, more power to them.
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The 991 addresses the things I thought I dislike on the 997. Ride comfort, tire noise, exhaust loudness and so on. After 200 km with the 991 it just left me cold and so much more in love with my 997.2. I really like the idea of not "having" to "update" my car with the 991
Jim
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I have a 991S 7MT on order and I was going through the specs of the new car. I cant help but be amazed how Porsche managed to shed almost 100 lbs compared to the outgoing platform yet made a stiffer and stronger chassis. The curb weight of the 991S 7MT is 3075 lbs. Compare this also to the curb weight of a 1980 911SC of 2700 lbs!
It is a mechanical marvel no doubt. I am looking forward to driving them in tandem at a DE. My Targa weighs in at 3400 lbs...!. In sports + setting the the 991 should feel feather-light.
It is a mechanical marvel no doubt. I am looking forward to driving them in tandem at a DE. My Targa weighs in at 3400 lbs...!. In sports + setting the the 991 should feel feather-light.
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I'll betcha that 3,075lb 991 is actually closer to your Targa in weight.
3,075 is probably in the lightest option configuration with no fluids. The 911SC was 2,700 full of fluids - and if memory serves, my 1980 had a huge gas tank.
3,075 is probably in the lightest option configuration with no fluids. The 911SC was 2,700 full of fluids - and if memory serves, my 1980 had a huge gas tank.
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Edit: BTW "curb weight" as used by Porsche and other manufacturers in their published data typically includes all necessary consumables including lubricants, coolant, and a full tank of fuel but not passengers or cargo. Some European Union manufacturers also include the weight of a 75 kilogram driver in their curb weight but I can't find whether Porsche is one of them. A vehicle weighed without all this stuff would be shown with a "dry weight".
Last edited by Mike in CA; 06-10-2012 at 08:47 PM.
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More like 450-550lbs. But my point was that the 991 is not as light as Porsche is advertising.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...ld-vehicle.pdf
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html
I do find it interesting that, despite all of their efforts, the rear weight bias has not decreased since 1980.
And the Corvette hasn't gained any weight at all.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...ld-vehicle.pdf
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html
I do find it interesting that, despite all of their efforts, the rear weight bias has not decreased since 1980.
And the Corvette hasn't gained any weight at all.
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More like 450-550lbs. But my point was that the 991 is not as light as Porsche is advertising.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...ld-vehicle.pdf
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html
I do find it interesting that, despite all of their efforts, the rear weight bias has not decreased since 1980.
And the Corvette hasn't gained any weight at all.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...ld-vehicle.pdf
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html
I do find it interesting that, despite all of their efforts, the rear weight bias has not decreased since 1980.
And the Corvette hasn't gained any weight at all.