Lvt19672

There is no question that porsche will be selling the 991 like hot cakes and maybe even in record numbers, but most people who buy porsches are not porsche enthusiasts, they just have deep pockets and are looking for the next new hip thing and most porsche owners don't wrench on them like people on this site.

GSIRM3

Quad, it's all done to excite you and provide entertainment. See, it worked again.

rodsky

+1. Funniest post I've seen in a while.

Get over it people. Every 911 series is more refined than the last one. Thats why they made the GT series. Think about it and save yourself hours of mind numbing time on these boards.

Edgy01

While I'm seeing a few new 991s penetrating the area here I'm not seeing the 991s taking off at the same clip that the 997s did. Perhaps it's the stagnant economy that is keeping the sales a bit sluggish.

Porsche's greatest challenge is to always deliver the best handling sports cars in the world. They don't have to have the best 0-60 sprint times nor the best of anything else--but they have to be the bet handling. And, by the way, if they can keep them looking good at the same time, more power to them.

As a Porsche guy since 1973 I applaud Porsche for introducing more varied new models to their lineup. When I got started with Porsche it was either a 911 or a 914 to consider. We're thinking that the next will be a Panamera just for the added capacity--but will be keeping the 997S Cabriolet for really quick runs!

fast1

Hi Dan - I bought my first 911 in 1970, so we are in the same generation. I agree that if 0-60 is most important to you,then Porsche is not the car for you unless you have the $150K for a turbo. Back in the 70s my friends with their 427 ci Vettes with 435 HP and similar torque could blow the doors off my 911, but I never questioned my choice since handling and build quality were paramount to me.
I was at a Porsche Dealer today and I saw a 991S and 997S side by side. Beautiful cars but a far cry from the first 911 iterations which were pure sports cars. My 1970 911 had an AM radio, but no air conditioning, no power windows or seats, no cup holders, and no sun roof. Porsches today have all of the amenities of luxury cars, and of course are significantly larger and heavier than my first 911.
Buyers of those early 911s were pure sports cars devotees, and I understand that if Porsche did not cater to the needs of their" professional class" buyers, Porsche would not have survived. Some say that the last "real" 911 was the 993. Although I don't agree with that sentiment, I certainly can understand where it comes from.

Harvey Yancey

Fast forward to the year 2020:

Wow ... just drove a brand new 992S back to back with the 991GTS. The 992S just does not feel like the sportcar that the 991GTS is ... etc, etc.

Every few years we have the same discussion guys (and gals) ... your perception is your reality ... but they do get better with every gen.

997C2S9ff

Agree 100%

96redLT4

I thought I was going to update my 997.1 C2S with a 991. Now I'm thinking of coughing up a little more for one of the last GT2RS. Anyone know where to find these?
Jim

Quadcammer

what does the cayman have to with this

96redLT4

Well said! Mid engine is obviously a better platform, but I'm sure they feel obliged to do everything they possible can to perfect the 911/rear engine design.
J

MSR Racer

I have a 991S 7MT on order and I was going through the specs of the new car. I cant help but be amazed how Porsche managed to shed almost 100 lbs compared to the outgoing platform yet made a stiffer and stronger chassis. The curb weight of the 991S 7MT is 3075 lbs. Compare this also to the curb weight of a 1980 911SC of 2700 lbs!

It is a mechanical marvel no doubt. I am looking forward to driving them in tandem at a DE. My Targa weighs in at 3400 lbs...!. In sports + setting the the 991 should feel feather-light.

Alan Smithee

I'll betcha that 3,075lb 991 is actually closer to your Targa in weight.

3,075 is probably in the lightest option configuration with no fluids. The 911SC was 2,700 full of fluids - and if memory serves, my 1980 had a huge gas tank.

Mike in CA

The SC did have a big tank....21 gal....but according to this May 1980 R&T road test the curb weight (which includes fluids in R&T's testing) was 2805 while the test weight with driver was 2950. That 30+ years later, a 991 with a chassis that's much, much stronger and stiffer, with more than double the horsepower and all the modern safety and convenience equipment is within 2-300lbs of those weights is fairly impressive, IMO.

Edit: BTW "curb weight" as used by Porsche and other manufacturers in their published data typically includes all necessary consumables including lubricants, coolant, and a full tank of fuel but not passengers or cargo. Some European Union manufacturers also include the weight of a 75 kilogram driver in their curb weight but I can't find whether Porsche is one of them. A vehicle weighed without all this stuff would be shown with a "dry weight".

Alan Smithee

More like 450-550lbs. But my point was that the 991 is not as light as Porsche is advertising.

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...ld-vehicle.pdf

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html

I do find it interesting that, despite all of their efforts, the rear weight bias has not decreased since 1980.

And the Corvette hasn't gained any weight at all.

MSR Racer

The manual is 80 lbs lighter. They tested the PDK