Excellence Magazine Gets Some Sack: 997 More Involving Than 991
05-01-2012, 03:13 PM
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In point of fact, the only (alleged) 991 owners I've encountered are here on Rennlist. Champion's lot full of 991s seems to be unchanged every day when I drive by on my way to the office, and neither I nor anyone I know has seen a 991 round here on the road or at a restaurant, club, country club, or anywhere else... and it isn't as if people here hibernate their Porsches seasonally. I do however know quite a few 997-owning physicians who, like myself, have driven a 991 and either opted to keep the 997 or decided to switch to another car (SL, Aston, Ferrari, etc etc) upon whose niches Porsche are attempting to encroach rather than stick with what made the 911 a unique drive.
05-01-2012, 03:59 PM
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05-01-2012, 05:36 PM
#49
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Ok? I'm not sure what the point of your post is.
So you and your friendly crew of 997 owning physicians haven't seen any 991s? Is that supposed to mean something? Surely you know what an anecdote is? Ask porsche how many they've sold if you want some actual useful figures.
Next up, some 997 owners drove the 991 and didn't want one? Ok, again, your point? Some 997 owners drove 993s and decided they liked the older car better. Some 993 owners drove longhoods and decided they liked the earlier car better. I can keep going all day.
Some people will like the new 911 and some won't, 997 owner or otherwise. Just like some people like the 997 and some don't. Lets not be delusional and think that every person who ever drove a 997 liked it.
Finally, some of these people decided to buy aston martins, sls or Ferraris. Thats fantastic. What the hell does it have to do with this?
Some people prefer the 997, others the 991, 996, 993, 964, etc. etc.
Why can't we just leave it there?
So you and your friendly crew of 997 owning physicians haven't seen any 991s? Is that supposed to mean something? Surely you know what an anecdote is? Ask porsche how many they've sold if you want some actual useful figures.
Next up, some 997 owners drove the 991 and didn't want one? Ok, again, your point? Some 997 owners drove 993s and decided they liked the older car better. Some 993 owners drove longhoods and decided they liked the earlier car better. I can keep going all day.
Some people will like the new 911 and some won't, 997 owner or otherwise. Just like some people like the 997 and some don't. Lets not be delusional and think that every person who ever drove a 997 liked it.
Finally, some of these people decided to buy aston martins, sls or Ferraris. Thats fantastic. What the hell does it have to do with this?
Some people prefer the 997, others the 991, 996, 993, 964, etc. etc.
Why can't we just leave it there?
1 - Why are you so heated up about this?
2 - Are you insecure about your 991 liking as others question the 991?
3 - Are you envious of 997 owners who like their cars?
4 - What's your point?
Bottom line... it's a forum and everyone has the right to express a POV.
05-01-2012, 08:48 PM
#50
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Fair question, but...
1 - Why are you so heated up about this?
2 - Are you insecure about your 991 liking as others question the 991?
3 - Are you envious of 997 owners who like their cars?
4 - What's your point?
Bottom line... it's a forum and everyone has the right to express a POV.
1 - Why are you so heated up about this?
2 - Are you insecure about your 991 liking as others question the 991?
3 - Are you envious of 997 owners who like their cars?
4 - What's your point?
Bottom line... it's a forum and everyone has the right to express a POV.
2. Am I insecure about my 991 liking? Not even sure thats a proper sentence. Nevertheless, heres my input. I don't like nor dislike the 991. I don't particularly care one way or another. What I do care about is people making asinine arguments. Sure seems like some 997 owners are insecure about the new car.
3. Why would I be envious? I like my car well enough, I sure don't want a 997 (unless its a gt3 RS or above). Something like a Carrera S does not appeal to me.
4. My point is the "raw, involving, 991 is a gt car and not a real 911, etc" argument is stupid because A) the 997 is already a GT car; B) this not a real 911 argument has been said since the 60s. Its old and stupid. Some clown's opinion here does not change this.
5. You sure seemed to dislike my points of view on issues, enough so to pm me, so perhaps we should just agree that we will practically never agree on anything.
05-01-2012, 09:43 PM
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I can't even think of driving a 991 because the sheer site of it bores me to tears. I like the 997 styling a lot better but not the interior. Other than that, I hope my car lasts until I take a dirt nap.
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05-01-2012, 09:50 PM
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1. Why do you get so heated when people talk trash about PDK? Heres my guess, it annoys you cause you think they make stupid points. Same here.
2. Am I insecure about my 991 liking? Not even sure thats a proper sentence. Nevertheless, heres my input. I don't like nor dislike the 991. I don't particularly care one way or another. What I do care about is people making asinine arguments. Sure seems like some 997 owners are insecure about the new car.
3. Why would I be envious? I like my car well enough, I sure don't want a 997 (unless its a gt3 RS or above). Something like a Carrera S does not appeal to me.
4. My point is the "raw, involving, 991 is a gt car and not a real 911, etc" argument is stupid because A) the 997 is already a GT car; B) this not a real 911 argument has been said since the 60s. Its old and stupid. Some clown's opinion here does not change this.
5. You sure seemed to dislike my points of view on issues, enough so to pm me, so perhaps we should just agree that we will practically never agree on anything.
2. Am I insecure about my 991 liking? Not even sure thats a proper sentence. Nevertheless, heres my input. I don't like nor dislike the 991. I don't particularly care one way or another. What I do care about is people making asinine arguments. Sure seems like some 997 owners are insecure about the new car.
3. Why would I be envious? I like my car well enough, I sure don't want a 997 (unless its a gt3 RS or above). Something like a Carrera S does not appeal to me.
4. My point is the "raw, involving, 991 is a gt car and not a real 911, etc" argument is stupid because A) the 997 is already a GT car; B) this not a real 911 argument has been said since the 60s. Its old and stupid. Some clown's opinion here does not change this.
5. You sure seemed to dislike my points of view on issues, enough so to pm me, so perhaps we should just agree that we will practically never agree on anything.
05-01-2012, 11:15 PM
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05-02-2012, 12:46 AM
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I knew the 991 wasn't for me when the reviewers said the car's ride was much improved over the 997. I'm not looking for a Lexus.
I knew the 991 wasn't for me when the reviewers said the car's ride was much improved over the 997. I'm not looking for a Lexus.
05-02-2012, 09:49 AM
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1. Why do you get so heated when people talk trash about PDK? Heres my guess, it annoys you cause you think they make stupid points. Same here.
2. Am I insecure about my 991 liking? Not even sure thats a proper sentence. Nevertheless, heres my input. I don't like nor dislike the 991. I don't particularly care one way or another. What I do care about is people making asinine arguments. Sure seems like some 997 owners are insecure about the new car.
3. Why would I be envious? I like my car well enough, I sure don't want a 997 (unless its a gt3 RS or above). Something like a Carrera S does not appeal to me.
4. My point is the "raw, involving, 991 is a gt car and not a real 911, etc" argument is stupid because A) the 997 is already a GT car; B) this not a real 911 argument has been said since the 60s. Its old and stupid. Some clown's opinion here does not change this.
5. You sure seemed to dislike my points of view on issues, enough so to pm me, so perhaps we should just agree that we will practically never agree on anything.
2. Am I insecure about my 991 liking? Not even sure thats a proper sentence. Nevertheless, heres my input. I don't like nor dislike the 991. I don't particularly care one way or another. What I do care about is people making asinine arguments. Sure seems like some 997 owners are insecure about the new car.
3. Why would I be envious? I like my car well enough, I sure don't want a 997 (unless its a gt3 RS or above). Something like a Carrera S does not appeal to me.
4. My point is the "raw, involving, 991 is a gt car and not a real 911, etc" argument is stupid because A) the 997 is already a GT car; B) this not a real 911 argument has been said since the 60s. Its old and stupid. Some clown's opinion here does not change this.
5. You sure seemed to dislike my points of view on issues, enough so to pm me, so perhaps we should just agree that we will practically never agree on anything.
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05-02-2012, 12:36 PM
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3. Why would I be envious? I like my car well enough, I sure don't want a 997 (unless its a gt3 RS or above). Something like a Carrera S does not appeal to me.
4. My point is the "raw, involving, 991 is a gt car and not a real 911, etc" argument is stupid because A) the 997 is already a GT car; B) this not a real 911 argument has been said since the 60s. Its old and stupid. Some clown's opinion here does not change this.
4. My point is the "raw, involving, 991 is a gt car and not a real 911, etc" argument is stupid because A) the 997 is already a GT car; B) this not a real 911 argument has been said since the 60s. Its old and stupid. Some clown's opinion here does not change this.
