scycle2020

The 991S didnt seem as tail heavy as the GTS. The handling appeared to be a bit more neutral . I was able to take both cars on some very twisty, up and down roads, for about an hour in each car. And in sport mode with both cars, the steering on the 991S appears a bit quicker. I never said I did not like the GTS, its a great car so think I am insulting your car.

Waxer

Never said or implied you were insulting my car. I find it hard to believe that on a dealer test drive one could find one Porsche Carrera "handled" better than another.

sandwedge

I'll do my small part in debunking this nonsense when it's time to trade. With any luck I'll find a leftover 2012 GTS priced close enough to a new 991. But I can hear it already. "There's a fool spending all that money on an outdated car just to prove a point".

rodsky

It seems like you're a little of the pot calling the kettle black. Several of your posts appear to be ridicule back to the 991.

I would agree with your statement however that many may prefer the 997.

allegretto

No not really, but I understand why you say that. I have been a little hard on the 991 because I expected more. I've read some of the reviews, looked a the cars and driven them.

In truth, I don't think there is that much difference at all. How about that for a statement? Perhaps if I had them both on a track I could tell more. One would think that at some point stretching the rear almost three inches further under the engine would help, but I never drove a 991 that fast. OTOH, I've extensively tracked 997 GT3's. They are very good! So I guess in my case the jury is still out in the performance category. I have noted that when the GTR showed up and bitch-slapped the TT in all the rags, I didn't run out and go Nissan. I so-what-ed it. But many here wailed about electric nannies. Well, now ya got 'em, in spades, and now some praise them in song and story. All this TQ-vectoring and save-my-*** magic braking is cool now.

Moving on to interiors, it's very un-Porsche. So that's different. But I never drove Porsches for their interiors. I'll get an MB or BMW for that. So a plusher interior detracts from a Porsche experience for me.

And I'm sorry, but for the sake of honesty, I would see if I could get a "Symposer" delete if I did go 991. That is sillier than any plastic chrome do-dad and would come to irritate me quickly exactly because it is fake regardless of how it sounds. Can one turn it off?

Further, styling wise they took a big step back in a couple of departments. No one but a Porsche design engineer can love the sunroof that now looks like any GM and is no bigger in terms of sun and fresh air. Headlights aren't very attractive from the side and something looks "not quite right" about the rear skirt. But I guess it's a matter of taste.

Maybe too, I'm getting old because the 964/993 intrigues me far more than the new one. It seems there is no doubt what those are. I'm just not set on what this is. Sure, it's a Porsche. And a very capable conveyance I would think. Guess I just roll my eyes when someone tells me how much "better" the new one is and disses folks who say they would prefer a 997. So some of my comments are poking fun. If you like one, get one. Don't mind me.

rodsky

Now there ya go, finally a balanced perspective. Good post.

I actually really like the interior of the 991. But I do agree that the sunroof is odd. The good part about the 991, or maybe Porsche, is that the 997 doesn't look dated after the new model came out. Whether you prefer the new model or not in other Marques, the old one tends to look dated right away. From certain angles, I really like the 991. Front and side especially. Good part is that I still am happy with my 997.2 and am in no rush to get the 991. Although having owned a 964, I'm not really in a rush to get one of those. I could be very tempted by a 993 convertible though. Very pretty car and could be fun on the weekends.


Can you add a symposer to the 993? JK.

Zed.

I see you have the 40th as well as the 997.2 which Im considering. Would you mind reflecting on the differences bewteen those 2 (I sold my 40th to a buddy who lusted after it for years). Im toying with options of 997.1TT, 997.2 C4S and C2S right now. Thanks.
Zed

TommyV44

Did it ever occur to you that maybe it's because a lot of people feel that way? Makes sense to me!

Tom

stumil

So the PDK hardware and software is the same in 991 and 997.2? A couple of weeks ago the sales manager in my local P dealer went on and on about how different (and better) the 991 PDK performs without giving specific info about what has changed. Would love to hear from someone with in-depth technical knowledge on this topic.

I don't really care one way or the other about the symposer other than I'd rather have a symposer than be a poser.

allegretto

While I have no idea if it's the same or not, the question for me is; just how fast do you need to shift? PDK on a .1 is still faster than you ever will be. Even the best drivers can turn times as fast or faster just putting it in S+.

Where do you drive where a few tens of milliseconds matters?

I think if you have a Symposer you are already dangerously close to being a poseur...

Zeus993

Oh man... This is getting dirty! It's like uh, 'car survivor'.

allegretto

Nah, everyone should have fun

It's just a car...

Mike in CA

Maybe I'm missing something, but what makes it "fake"? My understanding is that the Symposer is a tuned port that provides an acoustic link to the engine compartment, ducting actual intake sound into the cabin. It's not artificial, electronically amplified, or sound that's played over the stereo system like in the new M5, it's the real sound of the engine. People sometimes install aftermarket airboxes and air filters in part to hear more intake sound. Heck, sometimes I roll down the windows just to hear more exhaust and engine sound. Is the Symposer really that much different? BTW the Symposer can be "turned off". The acoustic port is open only when the Sport button is engaged.

Waxer

+1

unclejosh

Guys- weigh in:

The 991 oozes quality and rails corners and is quick and posts a faster time at the Ring than a 997 GT3....all good

But....... the challenge to master the imperfections, the roadfeel and the character have been diluted in the quest for perfection.

The imperfect shorter wheelbase and go-cart feel of the GTS .........is more fun dare I say? Sport exhaust works for me. Don't need no sound symposer.

UJ