Edgy01

It's my belief that the authorities who elected to delete all of Ben's postings reacted too quickly, not realizing the impact of their actions. It also lends one to consider that they could (and do) make other mistakes in the administration of this site.

Since this is not a democracy, but it is a capitalist operation, we react in kind in a capitalist manner--we leave the site en masse to another site. When their income dries up they will perhaps reconsider their own rush to judge.

We shall all hang together, or be hung separately.

Graygoose997

The sad part is , reactionary mods aside, this is a great place.
Before you trot over to RuetterJerks, take a good look.
Their idea of sport over there is to put a guy they don't like on ignore ( so he can't even respond) and then start a thread or two bashing him.
The mods think it's a hoot as the cowards bash away.

SeanR

Damn, did I miss the one started about you?

tooloud10

That's not exactly true--exactly one poster has been banned from RW since its inception. It was a guy that "crashed and burned" here almost immediately before "crashing and burning" there.

Edgy01

Rennteam is beckoning...

ADias

That site seems to be filled with the same people who used to create conflicts on this site...

Given the emotions raised on this thread, I wonder if the mods, once they conclude their threads' review, could provide some insight into their reasons. I do not like censorship either, but I can see reasons for banning members, reasons which do not violate individual rights, but instead protect other members' rights.

YA911Fan

Interesting you should use that example because the Reagan Library has wiped Iran/Contra from Reagan's legacy!

Sorry for the OT...

Graygoose997

The reality is, if you are part of the "club" there are no rules.

If you fall into the "other " category.... well, here we are.
I think a good show of faith on the part of the mods would be to reinstate both Ben and his posts.

Gretch

I have found your posts very interesting as well as entertaining. You should go post on OT or heaven help us, the P&C forum....... my guess is you would find a lot of material to work with on those forums!

MJones

Wonder why MDRUMS decided to say good bye??

ltc

That is your right.

The rules I believe you refer to are covered under the Rennlist Terms of Service and the Rennlist Charter.
I believe, in this case, the principles contained in the aforementioned documents have been followed and respected.

ltc

It would be helpful if you named the moderators whom you don't trust, unless you are implying that 100% of the Rennlist Moderators are actively "covering their tracks" and are not to be trusted.

I have always maintained an "open PM Inbox" policy...anyone who sends a PM (on any topic) will receive a reply and that dialog will continue as long as they wish.

It is up to you whether you decide to stay, that is a personal decision. I don't see a need to start an "en masse" exodus movement.

ltc

I can only speak for myself and say that no sane, level headed, rational person would possibly volunteer to be a Moderator.[/QUOTE]
I view it as paying for something horrible I must have done in a previous life.

Only when you have a "good day". On the brighter side, you do get to deal with interesting spammers...

Thank you...now you better run before the angry crowd with pitchforks says you're a witch and tries to burn you at the stake....save yourself while you still have a chance.

Leader

Continued speculation about what originally happened, and the reaction to it are not creating much goodwill for this site.
The lack of an explanation by management/moderators is making it worse.

Mike in CA

This thread seems primarily to be founded on assumption and rumor. It seems clear that no one really knows what OCBen did or didn't do that caused him to be banned. An argument could be made that regardless of what he did to be banned, his previous postings shouldn't have been deleted, but that argument too would be based on assumption since the facts are not known.

I've seen some very reasonable posts in this thread which IMO any rational person should be willing to accept as making sense, followed immediately by a reactionary argument where the next poster clearly has not read, much less absorbed, what was just written. It's not as if this is anything new; it's a microcosm of what passes for political discourse in this country today. Ideology and passion trumps fact and common sense, and I'd much rather listen to what I have to say than listen to you. It's why we are unable to get traction on any of our problems.

Personally, I think that the comparisons here to China, Google, and censorship are misplaced. The basic issue isn't suppression of the public's right to know, it is simply a requirement that users of a private business site abide by certain rules of common courtesy established by the site's owners. I'm pretty sure making threats and personal attacks, for example, fall outside those rules. If you want more of an open "wild west" kind of forum, it is your prerogative to go and find one. It might have some advantages, but I think the negatives would far outweigh them.

I for one find it difficult to believe that the moderators just decided out of the blue to single out a forum member for banishment without cause, and risk the kind of backlash we are seeing here. That doesn't make sense to me. They are also being castigated for not revealing what are obviously private issues with a user/customer. That doesn't make sense to me either. No business should divulge information to the public about dealings with a customer; I wouldn't patronize them if they did.

I think it is silly to get all fired up about something based on rumor and hearsay. If that's what we're looking for, maybe we could all have a grand debate about death panels or Obama's lack of legitimate citizenship instead.