Pricing a 997.1 C2S with minor bore scoring
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I don't understand how they could split since it doesn't use a cylinder liner? The thermal spray is applied directly to the cylinder bore with no lining. If you have any links or evidence I would be curious to see it only to educate myself as I have not seen this failure on these cars.
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I don't understand how they could split since it doesn't use a cylinder liner? The thermal spray is applied directly to the cylinder bore with no lining. If you have any links or evidence I would be curious to see it only to educate myself as I have not seen this failure on these cars.
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Looks minor to me. I would be more in the normal wear and tear camp but I’m just an internet mechanic.
I wouldn’t pay going market for the car knowing this though.
I wouldn’t pay going market for the car knowing this though.
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Appreciate your input. It's going to be hard to determine a price. I don't think I can just ask the seller to drop his asking by $15k to split the cost of a rebuild since it's not imminent (and may not be for a while). The other thing is the seller is not an enthusiast, so I don't think he understands or cares about this finding...
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I'd call that more like medium scoring because you're looking at it above the cylinder and the contact area is already wide. From below the cylinder this is going to look a lot worse.
I'm going to stick with my low $30s recommendation if you decide to move forward. If you can't get it for $35k or less, I'd find another one. Problem for you is that the seller will be able to sell this to someone who doesn't know about scoring for mid to upper $40S, but that buyer won't be very happy in the next 20k miles.
I'm going to stick with my low $30s recommendation if you decide to move forward. If you can't get it for $35k or less, I'd find another one. Problem for you is that the seller will be able to sell this to someone who doesn't know about scoring for mid to upper $40S, but that buyer won't be very happy in the next 20k miles.
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I wouldn’t know but I’d be more in the camp of most engines don’t looks like this. Many people here have posted pics of pristine bores with mileage all over the place. However we are a minority among owners.
I think it’s a PPI add on with a good black and white test, but the grey area is just thought. Each ones risk tolerance is different.
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Groove on here has posted some that look horrific and nearly d chunked. I loved his quote of “looks like a two way street with a sidewalk”. Think he had 3 scoped before the best person in the world (me) found him his last 911 whose bores looked great.
I wouldn’t know but I’d be more in the camp of most engines don’t looks like this. Many people here have posted pics of pristine bores with mileage all over the place. However we are a minority among owners.
I think it’s a PPI add on with a good black and white test, but the grey area is just thought. Each ones risk tolerance is different.
I wouldn’t know but I’d be more in the camp of most engines don’t looks like this. Many people here have posted pics of pristine bores with mileage all over the place. However we are a minority among owners.
I think it’s a PPI add on with a good black and white test, but the grey area is just thought. Each ones risk tolerance is different.
I think I'm going to take the advice of some members in this thread and propose an offer with a price reduction to take into account the existing scoring and likely clutch replacement required. If the seller isn't amenable I will move on and continue my search. I can accept the risk of having a car with a flawed engine, but a 30k potential rebuild is still a lot to stomach unless you're getting a GREAT deal on the vehicle.
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Groove on here has posted some that look horrific and nearly d chunked. I loved his quote of “looks like a two way street with a sidewalk”. Think he had 3 scoped before the best person in the world (me) found him his last 911 whose bores looked great.
I wouldn’t know but I’d be more in the camp of most engines don’t looks like this. Many people here have posted pics of pristine bores with mileage all over the place. However we are a minority among owners.
I think it’s a PPI add on with a good black and white test, but the grey area is just thought. Each ones risk tolerance is different.
I wouldn’t know but I’d be more in the camp of most engines don’t looks like this. Many people here have posted pics of pristine bores with mileage all over the place. However we are a minority among owners.
I think it’s a PPI add on with a good black and white test, but the grey area is just thought. Each ones risk tolerance is different.
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It is possible to find clean cylinders and in my search, the non-S engines are much less likely to have scoring.
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