Notices
997 Forum 2005-2012
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Dreaded Bore scoring on 06 C2S

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-02-2022 | 02:29 PM
  #76  
997Fanatic997's Avatar
997Fanatic997
Thread Starter
Instructor
 
Joined: Aug 2021
Posts: 149
Likes: 182
Default

Got a 2nd opinion by a shop that scoped it from the bottom. Reported as light scoring, just the "very beginning". Doesn't explain the oil consumption, but I can say that apart from the track day the car hasn't consumed much in several hundred miles of driving. Of course Kansas doesn't not present the same driving opportunities that I had in Arizona, so that could be part of it.

I don't seem to notice any effects around town, but I'm also hesitant to take it to the track again. I was told all the cylinders show roughly the same as the below photos.



Old 07-02-2022 | 05:51 PM
  #77  
groovzilla's Avatar
groovzilla
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 17,719
Likes: 5,050
From: seattle, washington
Default

^^Terrible Bore Scope photos. The photos should be sent via email to you and then view them on your computer screen or phone. Not have mechanic say "Oh these are what yours sort of look like"
Sort of a joke seeing Bore Scope Inspection photos on various threads---> Unprofessional nasty assed photos of the Scan Tool with reflections of shop and monkey mechanics swinging from the trees.
Just like the moron's BS photos on Marketplace right now who went silent when I questioned the replaced drivers door and why he only Bore Scoped #6 - Jackass.
https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1307434

When you pay for a Bore Scope Inspection, you should receive at least 3 photos of each cylinder (18 Total) photos.
Here are sample photos of my cyl#6 and I received 4-5 photos per cylinder.
This is my long term 20 year Indy P-car specialist Doug who works at Aker's Porsche using his Snap-On Scope Tool:











Last edited by groovzilla; 07-02-2022 at 06:00 PM.
Old 07-02-2022 | 07:08 PM
  #78  
Houndstooth's Avatar
Houndstooth
Advanced
 
Joined: Apr 2022
Posts: 63
Likes: 23
From: Wilmington, Delaware
Default

^^^ It's unkind of you to call someone who is clearly a beginner to 911s a moron and a jackass for not getting a bore scope done properly. A lot of people buying these 997s are individuals who are finally getting enough money to afford the car they've been dreaming of for many years. So it's understandable that they don't have a lot of first hand experience with all the things that can go wrong with these cars. You've been driving Porsches for longer than some of us have been alive and we certainly appreciate your experience, but maybe have a little empathy for those who are navigating all this for the first time.
The following 5 users liked this post by Houndstooth:
Amrit.boxer (10-09-2022), F. Thumb (07-04-2022), nerdnic (08-24-2022), ParkslopeDope (07-03-2022), tegraphile (07-04-2022)
Old 07-02-2022 | 07:18 PM
  #79  
PV997's Avatar
PV997
Three Wheelin'
 
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 1,808
Likes: 1,539
From: Southern California
Default

Originally Posted by Houndstooth
^^^ It's unkind of you to call someone who is clearly a beginner to 911s a moron and a jackass for not getting a bore scope done properly. A lot of people buying these 997s are individuals who are finally getting enough money to afford the car they've been dreaming of for many years. So it's understandable that they don't have a lot of first hand experience with all the things that can go wrong with these cars. You've been driving Porsches for longer than some of us have been alive and we certainly appreciate your experience, but maybe have a little empathy for those who are navigating all this for the first time.
Groov certainty has his own style and is a bit of an acquired taste. That being said, every important lesson I've learned in life was because someone gave it to me straight and was more concerned about me hearing the truth than hurting my feelings. Looking back, I cannot thank them enough.

I don't care how inexperienced someone is, does bore scoping a single cylinder make any sense? Seriously, think about it. We all were given brains for a reason, getting thumped upside the head when making a boneheaded move is usually a net positive in my experience. Next time hopefully the guy will think about it a bit more rather than uncritically accepting something nonsensical.
The following users liked this post:
Amrit.boxer (10-09-2022)
Old 07-02-2022 | 07:22 PM
  #80  
Houndstooth's Avatar
Houndstooth
Advanced
 
Joined: Apr 2022
Posts: 63
Likes: 23
From: Wilmington, Delaware
Default

Originally Posted by PV997
Groov certainty has his own style and is a bit of an acquired taste. That being said, every important lesson I've learned in life was because someone gave it to me straight and was more concerned about me hearing the truth than hurting my feelings. Looking back, I cannot thank them enough.

I don't care how inexperienced someone is, does bore scoping a single cylinder make any sense? Seriously, think about it. We all were given brains for a reason, getting thumped upside the head when making a boneheaded move is usually a net positive in my experience. Next time hopefully the guy will think about it a bit more rather than uncritically accepting something nonsensical.
I understand what you're saying, but I don't think the guy trying to sell his car in the marketplace is learning anything from being called a moron and jackass in a completely separate thread.
Old 07-03-2022 | 01:42 AM
  #81  
groovzilla's Avatar
groovzilla
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 17,719
Likes: 5,050
From: seattle, washington
Default

Originally Posted by Houndstooth
^^^ It's unkind of you to call someone who is clearly a beginner to 911s a moron and a jackass for not getting a bore scope done properly. A lot of people buying these 997s are individuals who are finally getting enough money to afford the car they've been dreaming of for many years. So it's understandable that they don't have a lot of first hand experience with all the things that can go wrong with these cars. You've been driving Porsches for longer than some of us have been alive and we certainly appreciate your experience, but maybe have a little empathy for those who are navigating all this for the first time.
Houndstooth----> Please read my comment carefully. I would never call a newbie a jackass or a moron. I shoot from the hip and feel justified calling a failure of a mechanic a jackass and moron when unreadable Bore Scope photos are given to customers who pay for Bore Scope Inspection.
And I wasn't referring to the OP calling him a moron--->I was referring to the Marketplace seller who is a total jackass and his Indy mechanic a moron. If you go to the listing you'll see why.
I believe in looking out/ warning fellow RL members when cars for sale are suspect. I also feel very strongly about getting your money's worth and proper info/photos when spending money on PPI & Bore Scope.
So if anything, I am doing newbie buyers a great service.

Last edited by groovzilla; 07-03-2022 at 01:53 AM.
Old 07-03-2022 | 01:47 AM
  #82  
groovzilla's Avatar
groovzilla
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 17,719
Likes: 5,050
From: seattle, washington
Default

Originally Posted by Houndstooth
I understand what you're saying, but I don't think the guy trying to sell his car in the marketplace is learning anything from being called a moron and jackass in a completely separate thread.
I think you need to grow some ***** and realize the marketplace clown has no clue about representing his car. 3 days and no response?? I think seller regrets listing his car on a forum that calls people out when something is suspect.
Anyone selling a 997 who claims a replaced door isn't a big deal and makes the same claim that Bore Scope Inspecting one cylinder is ok is not coherent.
After 36 years of Porsche purchases/sales and ownership, I feel it is important to shed light on these jackasses.
If anything, this protects newbies to the Porsche buying world.


Last edited by groovzilla; 07-03-2022 at 01:52 AM.
The following 3 users liked this post by groovzilla:
Amrit.boxer (10-09-2022), misterdega (07-03-2022), TRINITONY (07-07-2022)
Old 07-03-2022 | 08:12 AM
  #83  
Houndstooth's Avatar
Houndstooth
Advanced
 
Joined: Apr 2022
Posts: 63
Likes: 23
From: Wilmington, Delaware
Default

Originally Posted by groovzilla
Houndstooth----> Please read my comment carefully. I would never call a newbie a jackass or a moron. I shoot from the hip and feel justified calling a failure of a mechanic a jackass and moron when unreadable Bore Scope photos are given to customers who pay for Bore Scope Inspection.
And I wasn't referring to the OP calling him a moron--->I was referring to the Marketplace seller who is a total jackass and his Indy mechanic a moron. If you go to the listing you'll see why.
I believe in looking out/ warning fellow RL members when cars for sale are suspect. I also feel very strongly about getting your money's worth and proper info/photos when spending money on PPI & Bore Scope.
So if anything, I am doing newbie buyers a great service.
I am aware who you were calling names. I read the listing.
Old 07-03-2022 | 11:52 AM
  #84  
PV997's Avatar
PV997
Three Wheelin'
 
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 1,808
Likes: 1,539
From: Southern California
Default

Originally Posted by groovzilla
I think you need to grow some ***** and realize the marketplace clown has no clue about representing his car. 3 days and no response?? I think seller regrets listing his car on a forum that calls people out when something is suspect.
Anyone selling a 997 who claims a replaced door isn't a big deal and makes the same claim that Bore Scope Inspecting one cylinder is ok is not coherent.
After 36 years of Porsche purchases/sales and ownership, I feel it is important to shed light on these jackasses.
If anything, this protects newbies to the Porsche buying world.
Not my fight but I have to go with groov on this one (though I'm probably biased as I'm also an old fart with three decades of 911 ownership). People need to be called out on their BS, and that sales post had a bunch of red (or at least yellow) flags. It told us more about the guy's personal life than why that door was replaced.

The Porsche world is filled with predatory nonsense and those of us that have been around a while have little patience for it. You have people getting gouged for $600 dealership oil changes and replacing perfectly good parts because they are too trusting and don't realize that the Porsche service advisor is a commissioned salesman. The exact same OEM part is marked up three to five fold because the box it came in says PORSCHE (but people still ludicrously pay it for "peace of mind"). Junk aftermarket parts are way overpriced because Porsche owners are used to paying inflated prices and don't question it. Vendors post on here spreading FUD that can supposedly can only be fixed by their secret knowledge and overpriced solution. People dump borescored engines on newbies who don't know any better. It goes on and on.

If a newbie comes on here and asks a good-faith question, and made an honest attempt to look into in themselves, they will almost always be treated respectfully. People here enjoy sharing their knowledge with those who want to learn. But if you are going to post things for sale (particularly a car) you better have your act together. Also, if people come on here expecting others to do their thinking for them, it's probably not going to go over very well.
The following 2 users liked this post by PV997:
JRBucks (07-03-2022), TRINITONY (07-07-2022)
Old 07-03-2022 | 12:02 PM
  #85  
JRBucks's Avatar
JRBucks
Racer
 
Joined: Jan 2021
Posts: 380
Likes: 265
From: Bucks Co. PA
Default

I'll say this. If you followed Groov's advice worse case scenario you'd be out a couple of bucks and would be dodging a $25k+ bullet. Best case scenario you end up with a car you love and piece of mind you're not potentially driving a time bomb.
As for his post, and not that he needs an explainer and yes it may have came off a bit crass but basically he's just telling the OP he isn't getting the full picture, literally.
The following users liked this post:
TRINITONY (07-07-2022)
Old 07-03-2022 | 01:21 PM
  #86  
997Fanatic997's Avatar
997Fanatic997
Thread Starter
Instructor
 
Joined: Aug 2021
Posts: 149
Likes: 182
Default

I don't have anything for sale in the marketplace, so I'm not sure what that scussion is about or why it's being conflated with me/my car. I will be asking the shop for digital photos, this is just what I was given initially.
Old 07-03-2022 | 01:41 PM
  #87  
PV997's Avatar
PV997
Three Wheelin'
 
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 1,808
Likes: 1,539
From: Southern California
Default

Originally Posted by nealvaughan
I don't have anything for sale in the marketplace, so I'm not sure what that scussion is about or why it's being conflated with me/my car. I will be asking the shop for digital photos, this is just what I was given initially.
Yeah, sorry for threadjacking, we got a bit off topic.
Old 07-03-2022 | 02:27 PM
  #88  
groovzilla's Avatar
groovzilla
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 17,719
Likes: 5,050
From: seattle, washington
Default

Originally Posted by nealvaughan
I don't have anything for sale in the marketplace, so I'm not sure what that scussion is about or why it's being conflated with me/my car. I will be asking the shop for digital photos, this is just what I was given initially.
I used the Marketplace "997 for sale" link and comment about seller simply to demonstrate another Bore Scope Photo failure. Simple as that.
It just so happened that car had a replaced drivers door and it was obvious seller is avoiding uploading information associated with the replaced door and uploading better Bore Scope photos. A warning to anyone pursuing that car.
Especially since the seller claims he has every service record for his car. A total derailment of this thread topic.

**I do apologize for coming off strong. I've been an advocate for Bore Scope Inspections since I have been saved 2x when pursuing 2 997S cars.
After re-reading this thread, I see you still have not uploaded any photos of your cylinders? Are those your BS photos in post #76? Sounded like Indy compared your cylinders to those in photos so confusing?
If those are your cylinder photos in post#76, would be nice to get better quality Jpeg photos and upload them to get a clearer view.

I'm very familiar with oil consumption issues. Something I've been tuned into for some time. Of the 7 997's I've owned, my 1st 2005 997S w/78K miles consumed a great deal of oil. About a quart every 500 miles. That purchase was about 8 years ago before Bore Scoring was ever a topic. The other 6 997's I owned consumed a quart every 2000-3000 miles and they also had higher mileage at 75-85K miles. My current 997 C4 has 107K miles, clean cylinder walls and hasn;t burned any oil in the 1000 miles I've driven it so far since ownership - I don;t drive it much at all just dinners out and occasional short overnight trips.

I've always stayed away from cars that are Tracked. Just the way I roll. I've seen/witnessed too many overly aggressive drivers beating the sh:t out of their Porsche's.
So whether air cooled or water cooled I would never go near a Tracked car unless it was primarily for the Track.

All the best and again sorry for going a bit off-topic




Last edited by groovzilla; 07-03-2022 at 02:49 PM.
Old 10-09-2022 | 10:13 AM
  #89  
TerrestrialFlyte's Avatar
TerrestrialFlyte
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 1,206
Likes: 667
From: Lone Star State
Default

Originally Posted by groovzilla
^^Terrible Bore Scope photos. The photos should be sent via email to you and then view them on your computer screen or phone. Not have mechanic say "Oh these are what yours sort of look like"
Sort of a joke seeing Bore Scope Inspection photos on various threads---> Unprofessional nasty assed photos of the Scan Tool with reflections of shop and monkey mechanics swinging from the trees.
Just like the moron's BS photos on Marketplace right now who went silent when I questioned the replaced drivers door and why he only Bore Scoped #6 - Jackass.
https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1307434

When you pay for a Bore Scope Inspection, you should receive at least 3 photos of each cylinder (18 Total) photos.
Here are sample photos of my cyl#6 and I received 4-5 photos per cylinder.
This is my long term 20 year Indy P-car specialist Doug who works at Aker's Porsche using his Snap-On Scope Tool:










Am I missing something or is this being scoped from the top? Looks like he’s going in through the spark plug holes here. The sump plate is still in place. And in a few of the pics that sure looks like the top of the piston in the corner of the shot.

I recently scoped my own car from the sump and feel pretty good about what I saw. But I’ll take it a step further and send my pics in to LN and get their opinion.
Old 10-09-2022 | 11:07 AM
  #90  
rtl5009's Avatar
rtl5009
Three Wheelin'
 
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 1,457
Likes: 684
From: NJ, USA
Default

You can go through the spark plug holes at bdc. It’s ok!


Quick Reply: Dreaded Bore scoring on 06 C2S



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 11:00 PM.