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Yeah, but "their word" is purely anecdotal. None have been running race cars with multiple oil types, then logging wear and failure rates. Raby, if anyone, prolly has the only empirical data.
I agree ... seems likely that Jake has spent far more time and money on this than anyone else.
I asked Blackstone if they would either a) run this same analysis on M96 motors or b) send me the data and I'll do it. I'm guessing the answer to both will be "no," but it's worth a shot...
I see no reason why a company that specializes in testing oil - and presumably has thousands of data point - would not be one of the best sources of data anywhere. Thier data actually correlates to bobistheoilguy.com and other oil manufacturer sites that describe test among different oil with a conclusion that the idea that "all class 5 top oils" will work pretty much equally well.
The other comment I have is with regard to 0-40 Mobil 1. Didn't Porsche list that oil for the 996 from day 1? If yes, hasn't it been 18 years with no change? I'm not saying it's a perfect oil - far from it. But with tens of thousands of 996s running it, and no correlation to IMSB failure or any other engine failures, I cannot see how this oil wouldn't be anything other than "perfectly fine" for most everyone in their 996s.
Of course, many folks don't trust that, and have switched to something else, and yet, we don't see problems with those oils either. Strange? Not if a top oil is a top oil.
How many of us have threads that go into deep detailed comparisons on other Porsche fluids? Most recommend Porsche fluids for Coolant, gearbox/diff, power steering. Yet motor oil has to be so different because we believe it's the lifeblood. As long as you have good, clean oil that's well made - and I believe there are way too many out there that fit the bill - you will be fine for general street use.
I have this little sticker on my engine lid. It came from the Porsche factory that way. Since mine was manufactured 7/98 (sold as a 99), it is close to 20 years old. I have 140K miles and daily drive. I run Mobil 1 0-40 with an LN oil filter adapter and magnetic plug. I also use a Mobil 1 oil filter. I change the oil/filter about every 3,000 miles and consume none in between. Guess I'm doing something right.
2013 Porsche Super Cup Car (notice what it says on the front fender)
I have very little inclination, nor desire, to try and outsmart a bunch of Porsche engineers, Porsche testing, or my own experience. Especially at my age. Everybody is free to do what they want and run what they want. Just sharing.....not trying to be definitive.
Mobil sponsors a lot of race cars and I'm sure they've gathered a lot of data...Surely Porsche has some of that data.
and some of that sponsorship money?
I know two pro teams that are sponsored by Mobil but do not run that oil in their engines. I'm sure there's more than that .
same goes for Mutul,and I've even taken the oil to that particular shop and witnessed it poured into an engine.
never believe a sticker on a race car. Never
I gave up on trying to convince people what to do. I realized that the best thing for my business is for them to follow their inclinations, and factory directives. Why tell them any different? No reason.
It was at that time when I became selfish and only made directives for the owners of my engines. That's when I realized that those people are the only ones that rate my recommendations. Send me an oil question and it'll get deleted, not replied to.
So yes, today I love some Mobil 1!
B3 Freak, that's not a machine gun. It's a drum fed Saiga-12 shotgun. I have several legally registered class 3 weapons, but that one isn't NFA regulated.
Crazy to think the Mobil sponsored car doesnt run Mobil oil. Sad, but could be true in today's corrupt corporate culture.
But, my guess is that its top secrete and only a few people on the race team know the truth. Midnight, before race day they do a quickie lube oil change and put in Copper Tone super lube.
I had no idea teams sponsored by Mobil don't use Mobil, I learned something new again.
Not sure I buy that at all.
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Full dry sump vs. a strained & out of place wet sump system is a big delta to cross with assumptions. Pros in any discipline will migrate towards what works best, or at least what gets the job done. 2 of the 2 LN certified techs I've worked with have been clear about their preferences, so I use what the most knowledgeable people I know use. To each their own, drive what you want & be happy.
I'm gonna weigh in here and suggest that whatever money/ royalties, sponsorships or anything else suggested here paid by Mobil 1 (or anyone else) is not going to be enough money to sway Porsche into risking powertrain warranties, short or long term reliability, or 60+ years of general brand reputation on that kind of business decision. I mean, seriously?...
07-21-2017, 10:31 PM
