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Old 10-05-2022, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by parris
Just curious. Why a MK1 is better than a MK2 with heated sport seats, bose, alu shifter/brake?
MK1 vs. MK2 is a personal preference, not something I factor into the value proposition. The MK1 car was a lower mileage (31K) early build with cable throttle, dual-row IMS, and more durable interior component finish. It also had some nice factory goodies like M30 sport suspension, LSD, white guages, stainless steel exhasut tips & door sill plates, etc. IMHO this car was the better value dollar for dollar.
Old 10-05-2022, 06:47 PM
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2002 Porsche 911 C4S - $36,500 - Seems like it could be a good deal.

"6 sp manual transmission. Silver with Black interior. IMS done. 103k miles. Runs perfect. Everything works."

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Old 10-05-2022, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by gbarron
MK1 vs. MK2 is a personal preference, not something I factor into the value proposition. The MK1 car was a lower mileage (31K) early build with cable throttle, dual-row IMS, and more durable interior component finish. It also had some nice factory goodies like M30 sport suspension, LSD, white guages, stainless steel exhasut tips & door sill plates, etc. IMHO this car was the better value dollar for dollar.
The market definitely values the difference between .1 and .2 though, with .2s usually selling for a decent premium over .1s. Between many preferring the looks and the obvious benefits of the 3.6L, 20HP is kind of a lot, the .2s simply have a wider appeal and will likely always command this premium. Many don't seem to really place a lot of value on the early car options and to some extent its warranted. Unless you are looking to have an all original show car the suspension is 20 years old and likely needs replacing at which point any 996 can become a M030 for little investment above stock replacement. And my understanding is the factory LSD wasn't super great and usually isn't functioning properly after 20+ years at which point you mind as well upgrade to Guard, because it is better and doesn't cost much more than rebuilding the factory unit. That being said I was happy to get an LSD car and I haven't pushed my car very hard, but it seems to function properly.

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Old 10-06-2022, 11:41 AM
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I think the price favor in the .2 cars are because they are newer and better cared for as Porsche realized problems and resale values sank
as prices climbed in each 911 selling year people probably held on to their cars longer
but I believe the uniqueness of the very early 996 will continue to climb especially if you have factory extras (LSD or Aero PTS)
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Old 10-06-2022, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Type65
The market definitely values the difference between .1 and .2 though, with .2s usually selling for a decent premium over .1s. Between many preferring the looks and the obvious benefits of the 3.6L, 20HP is kind of a lot, the .2s simply have a wider appeal and will likely always command this premium. Many don't seem to really place a lot of value on the early car options and to some extent its warranted. Unless you are looking to have an all original show car the suspension is 20 years old and likely needs replacing at which point any 996 can become a M030 for little investment above stock replacement. And my understanding is the factory LSD wasn't super great and usually isn't functioning properly after 20+ years at which point you mind as well upgrade to Guard, because it is better and doesn't cost much more than rebuilding the factory unit. That being said I was happy to get an LSD car and I haven't pushed my car very hard, but it seems to function properly.
We are all have our own opinions and preferences regarding the .1 vs .2 differences, I personally prefer the looks and build quality of the early .1 cars. The headlights on the .2 cars don't look symetrical to me, I feel they ruin the sveltness of the body. Also, a 20HP gain in a heavier chassis does not amont to a lot (.2 of a second difference 0-60). I also find the .1 cars more enjoyable to toss around in the twisties. At a mere 31K miles on the .1 car, I would expect decent life left in the suspension components and the LSD to still be functional. Overall, I still feel the best "bang for buck" was in the .1 car for the same price, but as I stated previously, this is IMHO.
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Old 10-06-2022, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by gbarron
We are all have our own opinions and preferences regarding the .1 vs .2 differences, I personally prefer the looks and build quality of the early .1 cars. The headlights on the .2 cars don't look symetrical to me, I feel they ruin the sveltness of the body. Also, a 20HP gain in a heavier chassis does not amont to a lot (.2 of a second difference 0-60). I also find the .1 cars more enjoyable to toss around in the twisties. At a mere 31K miles on the .1 car, I would expect decent life left in the suspension components and the LSD to still be functional. Overall, I still feel the best "bang for buck" was in the .1 car for the same price, but as I stated previously, this is IMHO.
Don't disagree with most of what you said and we certainly do all have our own opinions. I bought a 3/98 for a reason and not on accident. I was just pointing out that I don't necessarily think it's fair to benchmark .2 prices against .1s.

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Old 10-06-2022, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by NYPOWR4
I think the price favor in the .2 cars are because they are newer and better cared for as Porsche realized problems and resale values sank
as prices climbed in each 911 selling year people probably held on to their cars longer
but I believe the uniqueness of the very early 996 will continue to climb especially if you have factory extras (LSD or Aero PTS)
I didn't think about that on price, but I am sure you are right. The whole "buy the newest 911 you can afford" thing seems to be spouted a lot.

I agree the early cars definitely have value to some, like you and I and many others on this board, but it seems to be a fairly niche want and doesn't seem to be a significant value booster as of yet, but they are certainly rarer and have some cool features and options that will become increasingly appreciated as these cars age, just like all the classics before them. For sure the Aero kit is a huge value booster and has been for some time and definitely seems to be more common on the .1s and early cars. PTS has also been very hit or miss with some boasting stupid premiums and others being nearly unsellable.

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Old 10-12-2022, 10:15 AM
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https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/c...544431845.html

blue early build cab 6spd with 203k miles for 11k
Old 10-12-2022, 12:29 PM
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https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/c...544431845.html

blue early build cab 6spd with 203k miles for 11k
Seller notes that it has been “maliciously babied mechanically”! Caveat emptor! Lol
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Old 10-12-2022, 12:33 PM
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I'm gonna assume he meant meticulously because I don't know how you could maliciously baby something.
Old 10-12-2022, 12:41 PM
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Probably means he took good care it and never drove it too hard, which is a shame. But whatever he did got him to 200k+ miles so kudos for that!
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Early build with under 50k miles was listed on CL for 30k. Cheaper on FB at 28k.

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Old 11-03-2022, 07:34 PM
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Old 11-04-2022, 01:17 PM
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good looking car - but I'm biased...
Old 11-04-2022, 04:04 PM
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When I bought my black 3/98 C2 in February 2018 with the same 172k this car has, I paid $13,500. Not downgrading his car at all.. just remarks on the 996 market. I hit it right at the low, and he's riding the wave. Good to know, not like I ever plan on selling it.


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