Shavings from old failed IMS (??) now showing up?
01-28-2014, 09:30 PM
#91
Three Wheelin'
In the past aircooled Porsche owners never even considered this type of activity. In all my years with aircooled cars I never had anyone ask me that sort of thing, and I never had people "give up" on cars. Maybe twice someone sold a car broken, today it happens weekly.
2003 Carrera 4S Speed Yellow / 1955 356 Continental 1500 Rust Red
01-28-2014, 09:45 PM
#92
Former Vendor
Porsche aircooled engines have always been more expensive to work with than an M96.
No one that places a monetary value on these cars will reconstruct the engine, only those who love the car.
I have 30 of those people in my queue now. Porsche engines have cost more than the car is worth since the 356 days. Hell I was installing 10K engines in 914s 20 years ago when the car wasn't worth 2500 bucks!
No one that places a monetary value on these cars will reconstruct the engine, only those who love the car.
I have 30 of those people in my queue now. Porsche engines have cost more than the car is worth since the 356 days. Hell I was installing 10K engines in 914s 20 years ago when the car wasn't worth 2500 bucks!
01-28-2014, 10:11 PM
#93
Race Director
I have thought more than once about dropping an LS into the 996 and selling the Porsche engine to offset some of the cost...mmm....
Just when I start warming up to the 996s, I run into a thread like this one. Guess I should keep an eye on my wife's Boxster.
That said, if I ever do get a 996, it will be with the IMS upgrade already done before any metal debris was found. That's how we bought the Boxster. If the engine ever goes, I'm calling these guys:
http://renegadehybrids.com/
That said, if I ever do get a 996, it will be with the IMS upgrade already done before any metal debris was found. That's how we bought the Boxster. If the engine ever goes, I'm calling these guys:
http://renegadehybrids.com/
01-28-2014, 10:20 PM
#94
Former Vendor
Conversion complications are something we hear about all the time. Some people work through them, others give up.
01-28-2014, 10:51 PM
#95
Race Director
Heh - those electrical problems remind me of the gray-market Jag we had when I was a kid. That car was insane...the driver window would come down if you used the cigarette lighter while the door was open, and it at fuses like candy, and those fuses with the element exposed were not cheap.
01-29-2014, 10:53 AM
#100
Rennlist Member
Others may have a different plan. Fine. Not for me to judge.
Good luck, OP.
TC
01-29-2014, 01:01 PM
#101
Former Vendor
01-29-2014, 05:00 PM
#102
Rennlist Member
I doubt, even adjusted for inflation, that the air cooled motors were worth $20,000 or whatever a 996 crate motor goes for now a days. I'm fairly sure a full rebuild by your shop is 5 figures as well. So comparing the relatively simple flat 6 air cooled power plant replacement or rebuild isn't realistic IMHO. The current book value of a 996 makes the decision to spend so much on a rebuild or replacement a difficult one. Not that I condone the carmax route. Those that have tackled this themselves are the furthest ahead monetarily.
2003 Carrera 4S Speed Yellow / 1955 356 Continental 1500 Rust Red
2003 Carrera 4S Speed Yellow / 1955 356 Continental 1500 Rust Red
01-29-2014, 05:47 PM
#103
Instructor
Thread Starter
BTW I don't look at what a car is worth on the market in making these decisions. Under a purely market value framework, it seems that almost any non-warranty service should be avoided. What I compare against is a replacement cost, where replacement isn't just similar model, year, etc., but also a similar level of confidence that it doesn't have hidden problems that have already been exposed/eliminated in the current one. This rebuild (repair) largely eliminates the single biggest hidden problem in this model. The question I ask myself is given what I have, what's my best strategy for minimizing total cost of ownership for the next 10-15 years (and, for these cars, maximizing enjoyment as well)? The longer I own the car, the more I know about it, and the bigger the difference between market value and value to me. I would expect that the guy who bought my '87 should be driving it happily for 50k-100k miles without major issue (http://blue-carrera.com). That car sold in one week with two bidders near asking price and after a dealership PPI.
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01-29-2014, 06:57 PM
#104
My '87 Carrera was smoking like a Mack truck by 2003 and I did a $6k valve job. As I remember, a full rebuild would have been about $12k but it could have been more (I didn't consider it since the bottom end was in good shape). Close enough to the prices mentioned here to be about equal.
BTW I don't look at what a car is worth on the market in making these decisions. Under a purely market value framework, it seems that almost any non-warranty service should be avoided. What I compare against is a replacement cost, where replacement isn't just similar model, year, etc., but also a similar level of confidence that it doesn't have hidden problems that have already been exposed/eliminated in the current one. This rebuild (repair) largely eliminates the single biggest hidden problem in this model. The question I ask myself is given what I have, what's my best strategy for minimizing total cost of ownership for the next 10-15 years (and, for these cars, maximizing enjoyment as well)? The longer I own the car, the more I know about it, and the bigger the difference between market value and value to me. I would expect that the guy who bought my '87 should be driving it happily for 50k-100k miles without major issue (http://blue-carrera.com). That car sold in one week with two bidders near asking price and after a dealership PPI.
BTW I don't look at what a car is worth on the market in making these decisions. Under a purely market value framework, it seems that almost any non-warranty service should be avoided. What I compare against is a replacement cost, where replacement isn't just similar model, year, etc., but also a similar level of confidence that it doesn't have hidden problems that have already been exposed/eliminated in the current one. This rebuild (repair) largely eliminates the single biggest hidden problem in this model. The question I ask myself is given what I have, what's my best strategy for minimizing total cost of ownership for the next 10-15 years (and, for these cars, maximizing enjoyment as well)? The longer I own the car, the more I know about it, and the bigger the difference between market value and value to me. I would expect that the guy who bought my '87 should be driving it happily for 50k-100k miles without major issue (http://blue-carrera.com). That car sold in one week with two bidders near asking price and after a dealership PPI.
You're making the right call. These cars are worth it.
01-29-2014, 08:31 PM
#105
We can all talk about it for many pages more and analyze it to death but what's done is done. OP took action based on his criteria's and comfort level and we all know it's in good hands now.
OP please update us on what is ultimately diagnosed. We are all wishing you the best outcome based on circumstances.
OP please update us on what is ultimately diagnosed. We are all wishing you the best outcome based on circumstances.