why is the 993 worth so much more than a 996?
06-19-2007, 12:10 AM
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OK Help me with this. 993 = lower production numbers because fewer people wanted them. 996 = greater production numbers because more people wanted them. People generally want what they can't have so now that there are more people in the world than when it was built, the 993 is looking a lot better 
and I still do not like them 
and I still do not like them
06-19-2007, 12:16 AM
#167
Originally Posted by Steven C.
OK Help me with this. 993 = lower production numbers because fewer people wanted them. 996 = greater production numbers because more people wanted them. People generally want what they can't have so now that there are more people in the world than when it was built, the 993 is looking a lot better and I still do not like them
and I still do not like them 
06-19-2007, 12:26 AM
#170
Originally Posted by YA911Fan
It's supply AND demand that matters -- supply by itself is irrelevant.
Two interesting examples to consider are the CGT and the Mini. Which one has the higher depreciation?
Two interesting examples to consider are the CGT and the Mini. Which one has the higher depreciation?
06-19-2007, 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by cabrio993
I guess they learned their lesson and they listened to its customers. Proof is that the 987 and 997 fronts are totally different now.
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06-19-2007, 12:54 AM
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OK, I'll restate -- the ratio of 993 buyers to 993 sellers is higher than the ratio of 996 buyers to 996 sellers. The ratio of 993s to 996s manufactured is irrelevant (imo).
The CGT/Mini example was just to point out that the only thing which matters is the supply relative to demand, not the supply itself.
The CGT/Mini example was just to point out that the only thing which matters is the supply relative to demand, not the supply itself.
Originally Posted by TD in DC
CGT does, but I don't understand what you are trying to get at. If you looked at the pools of buyers for 996s and 993s, I am nearly certain, although I have no facts to back this up, that the pool of buyers for 996s is higher, probably much higher. However, if you look at the ratio of buyers to supply, of course it is lower for the 993 because so many 996s are available. So, of course supply and demand matters, but that doesn't mean that there is a bigger pool of buyers for 993s.
06-19-2007, 01:00 AM
#173
Originally Posted by YA911Fan
OK, I'll restate -- the ratio of 993 buyers to 993 sellers is higher than the ratio of 996 buyers to 996 sellers. The ratio of 993s to 996s manufactured is irrelevant (imo).
The CGT/Mini example was just to point out that the only thing which matters is the supply relative to demand, not the supply itself.
The CGT/Mini example was just to point out that the only thing which matters is the supply relative to demand, not the supply itself.
I also think that you probably would agree with me that if you manipulated the variables of cars produced (i.e., either increasing the quantity of 993s produced to equal the quantity of 996s produced, or reducing the quantity of 996s produced to equal the quantity of 993s produced), the resale values and depreciation rates of the 993s and 996s mostly likely would be much, much closer.
06-19-2007, 01:59 AM
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No, I don't agree with that. I don't think the quantity of either model accounts for the different depreciation rates. That's the point I'm trying to make.
However, I do think the 993's high resale value is directly attributable to the 996!
However, I do think the 993's high resale value is directly attributable to the 996!
Originally Posted by TD in DC
I also think that you probably would agree with me that if you manipulated the variables of cars produced (i.e., either increasing the quantity of 993s produced to equal the quantity of 996s produced, or reducing the quantity of 996s produced to equal the quantity of 993s produced), the resale values and depreciation rates of the 993s and 996s mostly likely would be much, much closer.
06-19-2007, 03:47 AM
#176
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Ok, now that I understand the word "diatribe" I'll give you my thoughts:
1. 993 looks cooler (I could give a sh*t what anyone else thinks as long as I like the looks)
2. basic supply & demand dictates the values and apparently 993 supply is thin; demand strong.
3. 993 is more fun to drive. And yes, I have driven several 996's including a 996 GT3. Not worth the extra money for "smile factor" in my book.
I rest my case.
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Ok, now that I understand the word "diatribe" I'll give you my thoughts:
1. 993 looks cooler (I could give a sh*t what anyone else thinks as long as I like the looks)
2. basic supply & demand dictates the values and apparently 993 supply is thin; demand strong.
3. 993 is more fun to drive. And yes, I have driven several 996's including a 996 GT3. Not worth the extra money for "smile factor" in my book.
I rest my case.
06-19-2007, 04:04 AM
#177
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Originally Posted by care4era
993 is old. I do not get it either. I like new stuff because technology progresses. It is pure nostalgia and peeps repeating the mantra about air cooled. Who gives a ****. I have seen inside a 993 and it is well, just old looking.
I always look for the newest car that I can afford and would never look backwards. 997 or 993?, you would have to be a fool to take the oldie mouldie one.
I always look for the newest car that I can afford and would never look backwards. 997 or 993?, you would have to be a fool to take the oldie mouldie one.
p.s. the correct answer is the 69' and few of us 993 owners care about oil+water vs. oil cooling. I could have had a 996 but would by far rather have the last model M3 if it came right down to it.
06-19-2007, 07:54 AM
#178
Originally Posted by 2ndof2
Yeah, we'd all take the 997 if we don't mind spending 80 large on a fast depreciating asset. C'mon bro, pull your head out of the sand....would you rather have a mint 69 Camaro or one from the mid 80's? Which is a cooler ride? If you can't answer that then you are missing the whole point of what "demand" and ultimately retention of value is all about. And the 917 in my avitar? How about that? Looks old right? Its absolutely sick looking. Who cares how it stacks up performance-wise against newer cars. I'd love to have one for the track and if a guy shows up with something more modern and faster who cares? There are speed limits here in the states last I checked and I don't want to lose my license and be relegated to walking the bus or my bicycle. Performance and latest technology is not all things to all people. Enjoy your --6!
p.s. the correct answer is the 69' and few of us 993 owners care about oil+water vs. oil cooling. I could have had a 996 but would by far rather have the last model M3 if it came right down to it.
p.s. the correct answer is the 69' and few of us 993 owners care about oil+water vs. oil cooling. I could have had a 996 but would by far rather have the last model M3 if it came right down to it.
The Chevrolet that is normally compared to the 911 is the Corvette.
And 997 being the latest model of 911, most would think the latest Corvette would be the best model for comparison, unless of course, one's intent is to insult the 997.
Maybe someone should post in the 997 forum that there is a thread in the 996 forum where 993 guys are referring to 997s as 80's Camaros.
06-19-2007, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TD in DC
AFAIK, the production numbers were not based on demand,