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Old 10-26-2023 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by matthew.a.tanner
As verbose as @Garage19builds can be in his posts...I like his build...along with zbomb's car...and so many other 996's on this forum....and I'm not even sure what APC body kits or megan racing is :-D. I can't say there's been many build's on this forum that just turned my outie into an innie.
Google “Nopi Nationals” … you’ll see tons of them.
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Old 10-26-2023 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by TheChunkNorris
Google “Nopi Nationals” … you’ll see tons of them.
LOLOLOL Nopi was some great times though.. you 're correct for sure also
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Old 10-26-2023 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by TheChunkNorris
Google “Nopi Nationals” … you’ll see tons of them.
Ahhh. While not my cup of tea...I try to be more open as I get older because car culture is kind of changing. A lot of the youth's I know don't even want driver's license, and if they do, they seem to want an electric vehicle. With so much going on in the world, it's still a great event for me to jump into one of my time machines and just burn some miles...driving for a good time, not to make time type of thing.
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…Technically the option 220 "Locking Differential 40%" is also "automatic" since the multiple-disc limited-slip differential causes locking when one wheel begins to slip. This is the mechanical LSD you all know. Its not like a possi traction rear end, it works off of computer parameters that involve braking or power reduction all of which is out of the drivers control...
This seems like a contradiction to me. A mechanical old school LSD should not involve computer parameters, braking, power reduction, should it?
Old 10-26-2023 | 06:16 PM
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This seems like a contradiction to me. A mechanical old school LSD should not involve computer parameters, braking, power reduction, should it?
Because it doesn’t, a 220 isn’t an electric LSD and I’m pretty sure you need some type of traction control system to also control slip. Someone can correct me on this but is the factory LSD a clutch driven system?
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The factory "220" LSD is indeed a clutch type system, no electronics needed. It is also fairly wimpy and the clutch plates don't last very long. I think Guard makes replacement clutch plates at a better price point than OEM.
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Old 10-26-2023 | 06:35 PM
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Plenty of "old school" 996.2s out there without the PSM nanny. Mine included. However, many of these no PSM 996.2 came without an LSD. So you had to put one in yourself. In my case, I put on a Guard LSD.

Very visceral feel to it since you are driving by your foot, hands and rear end. Add in good software and you have immediate throttle reponse like an early build 996 cable car, but with more horsepower. Point is, you don't have to go early build to get the analog visceral ffeel.you can easily have it with a 996.2.

To hammer home the point, my car has no psm, no buttons and no connection or interference with PSM or the computer messing with my LSD, brakes or throttle. If my back end steps out, I have to manually correct it. Which I prefer.

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Old 10-26-2023 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by theprf
The factory "220" LSD is indeed a clutch type system, no electronics needed. It is also fairly wimpy and the clutch plates don't last very long. I think Guard makes replacement clutch plates at a better price point than OEM.
Got you and just clarifying the word salad about a posi traction being 100% mechanical and somehow a clutch type LSD being electronic on our cars.
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Originally Posted by GC996
Plenty of "old school" 996.2s out there without the PSM nanny. Mine included. However, many of these no PSM 996.2 came without an LSD. So you had to put one in yourself. In my case, I put on a Guard LSD.

Very visceral feel to it since you are driving by your foot, hands and rear end. Add in good software and you have immediate throttle reponse like an early build 996 cable car. Point is, you don't have to go early build to get the analog visceral ffeel.you can easily have it with a 996.2.

To hammer home the point, my car has no psm, no buttons and no connection or interference with PSM or the computer messing with my LSD, brakes or throttle. If my back end steps out, I have to manually correct it. Which I prefer.
+1… my .2 doesn’t have anything other than ABS.
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Old 10-26-2023 | 06:50 PM
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+1… my .2 doesn’t have anything other than ABS.
As it should be!

If you want even more visceral, crank a set PSS9 or PSS10 coilovers to full stiff in the rear and your front coilovers to half stiff, and then adjust a set of tarret sway bars to full tight in the rear and the front to the loosest setting. LSD, no psm, software, floating hat big brakes, with a dialed in suspension to address chronic factory understeer, you got yourself a car that handles like a go cart that is visceral and analog as hell.

Now if I only had a carbon fiber ducktail...

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Turbos all got PSM. A small price to pay for a fantastic car. Also quite worthwhile for street driving. Two seconds to unplug the PSM pump and hey presto! no more nannies.
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Old 10-26-2023 | 08:05 PM
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Turbos all got PSM. A small price to pay for a fantastic car. Also quite worthwhile for street driving. Two seconds to unplug the PSM pump and hey presto! no more nannies.
Yeah, but you got buckets more power. They have so much power that without the nannies and awd, most folks, which dont have any driver training, would wrap themselves around a tree. But if you know how to drive, oh baby!
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Old 10-27-2023 | 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by GC996
As it should be!

If you want even more visceral, crank a set PSS9 or PSS10 coilovers to full stiff in the rear and your front coilovers to half stiff, and then adjust a set of tarret sway bars to full tight in the rear and the front to the loosest setting. LSD, no psm, software, floating hat big brakes, with a dialed in suspension to address chronic factory understeer, you got yourself a car that handles like a go cart that is visceral and analog as hell.

Now if I only had a carbon fiber ducktail...
The ducktail might be available from RPM Technik once they get some things ironed out.
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Old 10-27-2023 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by TheChunkNorris
+1… my .2 doesn’t have anything other than ABS.
Same. No PSM on my '03.
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