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I think the main reason that socialism or authoritarianism might be creeping in is because too many citizens don't care one way or the other. People in the US tend to forget why we can enjoy an incredible sense of freedom in our lives. But with this freedom comes individual responsibility, and that means being responsible for understanding the political issues, being informed and educated, and telling our representatives what we want, and then voting to prove it. And of course we have to be responsible to our fellow citizens as well. I am a bit worried that people simply feel entitled to the freedom our country provides, take it for granted. But clearly we have to work to keep our freedom or else we won't even notice that it is slipping away until it is too late.
I think the main reason that socialism or authoritarianism might be creeping in is because too many citizens don't care one way or the other. People in the US tend to forget why we can enjoy an incredible sense of freedom in our lives. But with this freedom comes individual responsibility, and that means being responsible for understanding the political issues, being informed and educated, and telling our representatives what we want, and then voting to prove it. And of course we have to be responsible to our fellow citizens as well. I am a bit worried that people simply feel entitled to the freedom our country provides, take it for granted. But clearly we have to work to keep our freedom or else we won't even notice that it is slipping away until it is too late.
This is very well said but unfortunately also true.
Wishing the best for 3/98's mama and all of the Porsche boys and girls down in the hurricane path.
Now my brother the surgeon with the 15 GT3 is going to get hit. He’s getting his houses ready in Homosassa Florida and they are driving to his in law in North Carolina. He told me they are leaving at 4 am in the morning.
I think the main reason that socialism or authoritarianism might be creeping in is because too many citizens don't care one way or the other. People in the US tend to forget why we can enjoy an incredible sense of freedom in our lives. But with this freedom comes individual responsibility, and that means being responsible for understanding the political issues, being informed and educated, and telling our representatives what we want, and then voting to prove it. And of course we have to be responsible to our fellow citizens as well. I am a bit worried that people simply feel entitled to the freedom our country provides, take it for granted. But clearly we have to work to keep our freedom or else we won't even notice that it is slipping away until it is too late.
There are a ton of reasons why some of the younger guys or gals feel entitled to certain things. They state capitalism is bad. I seen 10 year olds with $1000 iPhones. Many high school kids barely 16 with brand new cars. My wife’s cousin just bought his 16 year old daughter a $30k Nissan. Some of these younger people had it to easy and then they get to an age where Daddy or Mommy is not there anymore. Then they start complaining about the system, they say it’s unfair, big corporations making record profits, not caring about the little guy. I was telling my wife’s cousin last night that me or him can’t change the system. Look at it as the game of life you understand the rules and make the best decisions to play the best you can. Then he said well you are well to do that’s easy for you to say. And I said, you can get to where I am, you have to save and invest, you have to make sacrifices early on so that you can live comfortable latter on. Then He went to say you have to live, you need this and that, then he said you save whatever is left. I said my Cuz that’s exactly why you are wrong. You put saving as the number one item in your budget, then living below your means you live with the rest. he’s 44 10 years younger than me, above average job and pay. Most people don’t understand the differences between needs and wants. Life is like eating a cow 🐄 patty, you need to eat the crunchy outside before getting to the creamy inside. Since I had bought the pizzas and he was originally going to buy them too, I said no that’s my contribution but you know that I worked at Dominoes for three years while going to college full time. So he asked about if I had student loans and all that other stuff. I said yes I took a $8k loan to buy me a VW gti. When I left college I had three cars, a motorcycle and had saved more than enough to buy my first house. he said how did you do that. Well I worked as much as 80 hours a week, the owner of the Dominoes (Larry) would pay me $20 cash in the 80s to close the store per night. I had free food whenever, I wanted plus during my masters degree, the US
government set me a stipend of $750/month because I was working on two studies for them, one for the post office and another one for the Air Force. So he didn’t had a clue. Then he tells me he owes $50k on student loans. Then I said you know for you and your cousins benefit my wife I would hope they wipe out your Loans, but that’s irresponsible as hell you decided to buy your daughter a $30k car and not paid your loan. He said well they didn’t educated me as how to pay this back they took advantage of me. Dude you signed in the bottom line, you decided to have a pretty cool college life and now you are winning about that you have to pay that money back. Listen let’s turn the lights on here, we were watching the cowboys in his man cave with an 80” 4K tv. You see those marks on my left
and right arms, I didn’t do drugs I donated plasma twice a week and made another $200 a month. I said when you work for what you have and it cost you a lot of sweat and tears you appreciate it. People that were born into money are completely different than the self mades. I finished the conversation by saying, i
have tried to change your cousin my wife’s modus operandus about money and I haven’t been successful, I even paid for a Dave Ramsey coach
For her and guess what nada. Some people will never learn. If you have any questions or need advice please feel free to ask, if you are going to do exactly as my wife, you ain’t going to get to where you want to. It’s not what you make, it’s what you do with it.
"We reached out to a company spokesperson for John Deere to ask about the viral post. By email, they told us, “John Deere does not have a partner farm program.” They also said that they “never called farmers to ask that they switch to electric tractors by 2023.” Perhaps most important, the spokesperson said that the company “has no plans for battery operated/electric large tractors and combines.” In other words, the viral story appeared to not even be a possibility in reality. Additionally, while we were told that the company does have some long term business goals that involve offering a line of small electric tractors and other compact equipment by 2026, large tractors and combines for farms are not part of these plans."
There is a ton of bad info out there just like this. I discussed one earlier in this thread about a reference to "research" saying that 25% of EV owners won't buy another. While that number is somewhat accurate (it's actually 20%) , it cherry-picked a single number from an extensive report and left out other data from that report that painted a completely different picture, while also misrepresenting charging options at home as needing 450 volts .
The efficiency difference between ICE and EV is not even close, or anywhere in the ballpark of being close. I know many have seen data showing EV are worse than ICE, it's all fake. I'm generally against mandates, but there are reasons we need to migrate towards EV (California has more motivation than most). A mandate by 2035 for new cars doesn't bother me at all because I very seriously doubt anyone will want to buy a non-EV as a brand new car by the time 2035 rolls around. We'll still want to keep our current ICE's like the 996 and vintage cars in 2035, but I doubt anyone will want a new ICE by then (assuming battery tech/cost and charging infrastructure is significantly improved by then). Most of the stuff against EV's is false and fearmongering.
It's not a subject we will resolve on this forum or in this thread, so maybe let's get back to non-EV off topic stuff.
that is awesome. reducing emissions from agriculture, industry, commercial and especially global shipping is what is gonna save the planet. thank you for sharing the awesome video of the electric tractor.
I very seriously doubt anyone will want to buy a non-EV as a brand new car by the time 2035 rolls around….
We'll still want to keep our current ICE's like the 996 and vintage cars in 2035, but I doubt anyone will want a new ICE by then (assuming battery tech/cost and charging infrastructure is significantly improved by then).
Uh, the government isn’t going to allow you to buy a non-EV by 2035.
The manufacturers aren’t going to produce anything other than EVs because it’s prohibited by the government.
That’s the point.
It’s amusing that so many are willing to goose step along.
”EVs are so exciting, we’re saving the planet and making Greta Turdburg happy”
Last edited by philbert996; 09-27-2022 at 08:05 PM.
Uh, the government isn’t going to allow you to buy a non-EV by 2035.
The manufacturers aren’t going to be selling non-EVs because the government outlawed ICE.
That’s the point.
Yes, that's exactly what I said. That's for new car purchases only. I also said that it is very unlikely anybody will want to buy a brand new ICE car by 2035 because EV's will be far better and far less expensive than they are today. And aready, in 2022, EV's obliterate ICE's in every category except for weight and range. In many ways, for typical daily use in the real world, effective range of EV's is actually better than ICE because you charge at home, meaning you start every day with a full tank and almost never need to go to the gas station, unlike ICE where you need to the gas station often. If you travel long distances regularly, then EV's aren't good, but for daily use they're already far more convenient than ICE.
Service differences are massive -- I've had several unhappy service experiences with the Macan -- that, more than anything else, is what's going to drive me to get an EV when I replace it.
I very seriously doubt anyone will want an ICE by the time EV's have advanced another 13 years. If they start saying you have to get rid of your ICE or vintage cars, then I will be upset. Requiring EV in 2035 for new cars is like saying you need to stream your movies instead of rent DVD's by 2028 .
No joking or stirring the pot. I have a few serious questions to anyone that wants to answer them regarding EV cars.
My questions revolve around the premise that the adoption of EV will reduce the carbon footprint and help to mitigate global warming which will destroy the planet.
Q1: How then do we rationalize the damage that is being done to the earth, in particular within 3rd world countries with the mining activity that needs to be done to extract the lithium from the ground and as a result, the pollution of water and land that is occurring that will take centuries to clean up?
Q2: In addition, how do we rationalize the growing demand for fossil fuels that are needed to fuel the energy grid to charge the growing quantity of EV batteries?
Q3: Lastly, how do we rationalize the mass amount of lithium batteries waste that is exponentially accumulating in trash dumps that is ultimately a pollution problem.
Appreciate your thoughts on these questions which I am unable to answer.
No joking or stirring the pot. I have a few serious questions to anyone that wants to answer them regarding EV cars.
My questions revolve around the premise that the adoption of EV will reduce the carbon footprint and help to mitigate global warming which will destroy the planet.
Appreciate your thoughts on these questions which I am unable to answer.
Sincere and accurate answers:
Originally Posted by GC996
Q1: How then do we rationalize the damage that is being done to the earth, in particular within 3rd world countries with the mining activity that needs to be done to extract the lithium from the ground and as a result, the pollution of water and land that is occurring that will take centuries to clean up?.
Lithium mining isn't any worse than any other mining. It is the processing of Lithium that can be very bad, and was bad in China to the point that they have cleaned it up out of necessity. Lithium mining has lagged demand, so that is an issue in terms of our ability to ramp up EV's at the pace we want to. Other battery technologies such as sodium batteries will be developed over time. Batteries are ridiculously expensive now, but that is always the case for new tech.
Originally Posted by GC996
Q2: In addition, how do we rationalize the growing demand for fossil fuels that are needed to fuel the energy grid to charge the growing quantity of EV batteries?
Electric grids are not solely dependent on fossil fuels. They can and are powered by solar, wind, nuclear, geothermal, etc in addition to the oil, gas and coal. If you look at your energy bill fuel breakdown, you'll see that there's already a large amount of non-fossil fuel giving you power today. With ICE's we are 100% dependent on fossil fuels. EV's use about 1/4th the energy, so even if they were using only fossil fuels, they'd use a lot less -- but most of the energy people are charging with already come from non-fossil sources. All the fake articles "proving" EV's being dirtier than ICE's assume 100% of the recharging is done with coal, which is light years from the reality practically anywhere in the US.
Originally Posted by GC996
Q3: Lastly, how do we rationalize the mass amount of lithium batteries waste that is exponentially accumulating in trash dumps that is ultimately a pollution problem.
EV batteries have a very, very long service life. It's not age that weakens the batteries, it's recharge cycles. Typical modern EV batteries will last 10+ years in car use with frequent recharging. After that 10 years, they are repurposed for low charge cycle applications like emergency power storage -- where they can go another 10 years because it is a very low charge cycle application. After that 20+ years, they can be recycled. The first EV batteries from Tesla were made from thousands of off the shelf Panasonic 18650 batteries and Tesla was relying on third-party recyclers (meaning that little recycling probably would have been done). For the past several years Tesla has been actively involved in designing the batteries for recycling and directly involved in the recycling process itself. Tesla is motivated to recycle themselves because resources in batteries are so expensive and so hard to get that they can save money and increase production rates by reusing materials. GM and Ford are doing the same regarding recycling though partnerships. Tesla already eliminated Cobalt from batteries and can already use recycled materials from their batteries. They don't have many to recycle because their extremely service life (10 years in car, 10 more years in storage). There is no parallel between plastic recycling and EV battery recycling -- though every fake article goes to great lengths to make that comparison.
Refineries in California to extract lithium from the wastewater of geo-thermal power plants just came online last month. The process of producing battery grade lithium could be fundamentally changing as we speak.
Just listening to a recent Smoking Tire podcast and an interesting fact came up with regards to EV production. "Lithium is what's needed for batteries and it's a very abundant element, however, in order for the western civilization to have 0 emissions cars some poor people lives are going to get f***ed up. We're going to need a lot of mines. To satisfy the capacity needed per government EV goals we need to open about 35 lithium mines a year for the next 20 years globally. That's 700 lithium mines." Just let that sink in.
Interesting point. Seems that we are going to have alot of holes in the ground and alot of polluted water within the 3rd world. But maybe this is an "inconvenient truth" that some just don't want to discuss.
09-27-2022, 05:52 PM
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