1100 Lost at Sea
02-22-2022, 10:55 AM
#31
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Fires on ships can easily get hot enough that the steel starts burning. That kind of a fire can't be put out with water because the water breaks down to hydrogen and oxygen due to the intense heat, it's over 5000 degrees F. The only way to put that fire out is to wait, or use a lot of CO2 all at once.
02-22-2022, 11:14 AM
#32
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Volvo Carbon Footprint Report: XC40 EV vs. XC 40 ICE
What a mess. While we won't know what caused the fire for quite some time the discussion of EV vs. ICE will be kicking in high gear.
Some of you may find this report from Volvo of interest which compares their XC40 EV vs. XC40 ICE powered car from an environmental standpoint. While I haven't gotten thru it just yet, so far it's interesting reading. Would be an interesting thread topic.
Here is a link to the report. Too big to attach.
https://www.volvocars.com/images/v/-...eport-xc40.pdf
Some of you may find this report from Volvo of interest which compares their XC40 EV vs. XC40 ICE powered car from an environmental standpoint. While I haven't gotten thru it just yet, so far it's interesting reading. Would be an interesting thread topic.
Here is a link to the report. Too big to attach.
https://www.volvocars.com/images/v/-...eport-xc40.pdf
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02-22-2022, 01:33 PM
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What a mess. While we won't know what caused the fire for quite some time the discussion of EV vs. ICE will be kicking in high gear.
Some of you may find this report from Volvo of interest which compares their XC40 EV vs. XC40 ICE powered car from an environmental standpoint. While I haven't gotten thru it just yet, so far it's interesting reading. Would be an interesting thread topic.
Here is a link to the report. Too big to attach.
https://www.volvocars.com/images/v/-...eport-xc40.pdf
Some of you may find this report from Volvo of interest which compares their XC40 EV vs. XC40 ICE powered car from an environmental standpoint. While I haven't gotten thru it just yet, so far it's interesting reading. Would be an interesting thread topic.
Here is a link to the report. Too big to attach.
https://www.volvocars.com/images/v/-...eport-xc40.pdf
After reading the Exec Sum, I will definitely study that doc.
Thanks
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02-22-2022, 02:35 PM
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After reading just the ES seems if I use my XC40 R Design for less than @91k miles I will be less polluting than the comparable BEV XC40. Sweet! In addition I won't have to worry about my ICE XC40 going all The Torch and yelling "Flame on" in my garage.
The Volvo sits next to the 996 in the garage and I would prefer no unplanned deconstruction occurring in that environment.
The Volvo sits next to the 996 in the garage and I would prefer no unplanned deconstruction occurring in that environment.
What a mess. While we won't know what caused the fire for quite some time the discussion of EV vs. ICE will be kicking in high gear.
Some of you may find this report from Volvo of interest which compares their XC40 EV vs. XC40 ICE powered car from an environmental standpoint. While I haven't gotten thru it just yet, so far it's interesting reading. Would be an interesting thread topic.
Here is a link to the report. Too big to attach.
https://www.volvocars.com/images/v/-...eport-xc40.pdf
Some of you may find this report from Volvo of interest which compares their XC40 EV vs. XC40 ICE powered car from an environmental standpoint. While I haven't gotten thru it just yet, so far it's interesting reading. Would be an interesting thread topic.
Here is a link to the report. Too big to attach.
https://www.volvocars.com/images/v/-...eport-xc40.pdf
02-22-2022, 03:10 PM
#35
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Think of Joules again as available instantaneous torque. Good for winning races.
Also think of Joules as potential 'instant death'.. Good for killing mechanics.
High performance EV or Hybrid cars need to ramp up the voltage to deliver all that power so quickly and still not need 2" diameter cables to do it. So, they have a lot of energy that can cause a lot of damage very quickly.
If that energy goes to the wrong place, like a human body; or even to other parts of the car that aren't correctly grounded etc. you have serious problems.
Also think of Joules as potential 'instant death'.. Good for killing mechanics.
High performance EV or Hybrid cars need to ramp up the voltage to deliver all that power so quickly and still not need 2" diameter cables to do it. So, they have a lot of energy that can cause a lot of damage very quickly.
If that energy goes to the wrong place, like a human body; or even to other parts of the car that aren't correctly grounded etc. you have serious problems.
I was sent to "Porsche Hybrid Training" over a decade and a half ago when the Cayenne Hybrid first came out...
Each Dealership had to have a trained tech or they were not allowed to sell a Hybrid..When A Hybrid came into the shop, I was responsible to attack a Hazmat sign to the drivers window and rope off the car in the shop. No one was allowed inside the ropes unless I was in there with them to instruct them.
Specific guidelines and safety procedures had to be followed. and if the high voltage battery was to be removed, I had to gear up like a Bomb Removal Squad..lol
We also had to build a Special High Voltage Battery Storage Facility , encase we had to remove and store a defective EV Battery. A defective/damaged High Voltage Battery was treated like a Bomb !!
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02-22-2022, 03:15 PM
#36
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Its going to be fascinating as more analysis and documents are produced regarding the topic. Add in biofuel and more eventual hybrid adoption, we will have plenty of ways to improve the environment effectively and efficiently.
We all know that what gets measured will get fixed. Problem is that we havent been "measuring".
We all know that what gets measured will get fixed. Problem is that we havent been "measuring".
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02-22-2022, 04:35 PM
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Many of these GT cars were headed to the NE. A lot of upset people in NY area 
At least they get a good story out of it. IMO it makes their 992 even more special, albiet delayed about 6 months.
At least they get a good story out of it. IMO it makes their 992 even more special, albiet delayed about 6 months.
02-22-2022, 06:30 PM
#38
^^^^ This is true !!
I was sent to "Porsche Hybrid Training" over a decade and a half ago when the Cayenne Hybrid first came out...
Each Dealership had to have a trained tech or they were not allowed to sell a Hybrid..When A Hybrid came into the shop, I was responsible to attack a Hazmat sign to the drivers window and rope off the car in the shop. No one was allowed inside the ropes unless I was in there with them to instruct them.
Specific guidelines and safety procedures had to be followed. and if the high voltage battery was to be removed, I had to gear up like a Bomb Removal Squad..lol
We also had to build a Special High Voltage Battery Storage Facility , encase we had to remove and store a defective EV Battery. A defective/damaged High Voltage Battery was treated like a Bomb !!
I was sent to "Porsche Hybrid Training" over a decade and a half ago when the Cayenne Hybrid first came out...
Each Dealership had to have a trained tech or they were not allowed to sell a Hybrid..When A Hybrid came into the shop, I was responsible to attack a Hazmat sign to the drivers window and rope off the car in the shop. No one was allowed inside the ropes unless I was in there with them to instruct them.
Specific guidelines and safety procedures had to be followed. and if the high voltage battery was to be removed, I had to gear up like a Bomb Removal Squad..lol
We also had to build a Special High Voltage Battery Storage Facility , encase we had to remove and store a defective EV Battery. A defective/damaged High Voltage Battery was treated like a Bomb !!
I did ask, why a wooden cane was included in the tool kit.
Two techs were required, one to open the unit and perform the inspection, and a second one holding the wooden cane, which would be used to pull the other tech off the equipment if the situation required.
Ahhh, the good old days.
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02-22-2022, 06:36 PM
#39
Electricity can be fun and dangerous. Don't even ask me about late model diesel electric AC locomotives and their inverters...
Back in the day, we installed a large UPS system for our computer center. When the techs performed preventative maintenance on the system, their tool kit included a wooden cane (one with a loop/hook on the end).
I did ask, why a wooden cane was included in the tool kit.
Two techs were required, one to open the unit and perform the inspection, and a second one holding the wooden cane, which would be used to pull the other tech off the equipment if the situation required.
Ahhh, the good old days.
I did ask, why a wooden cane was included in the tool kit.
Two techs were required, one to open the unit and perform the inspection, and a second one holding the wooden cane, which would be used to pull the other tech off the equipment if the situation required.
Ahhh, the good old days.
02-24-2022, 09:25 AM
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Folks, the narrative on Petroleum vs. Biofuel vs. Electric vs. Hybrid is changing before our eyes. Europe woke up this morning to news none of us want to see and now realize how vulnerable they are to energy shortages. Everything energy related will be re-thought. One thing is certain, ICE isn't going away anytime soon.
Environmentalism will give way to Pragmatism over the near term.
Environmentalism will give way to Pragmatism over the near term.
Last edited by GC996; 02-24-2022 at 09:32 AM.
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02-24-2022, 10:47 AM
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Folks, the narrative on Petroleum vs. Biofuel vs. Electric vs. Hybrid is changing before our eyes. Europe woke up this morning to news none of us want to see and now realize how vulnerable they are to energy shortages. Everything energy related will be re-thought. One thing is certain, ICE isn't going away anytime soon.
Environmentalism will give way to Pragmatism over the near term.
Environmentalism will give way to Pragmatism over the near term.
I expect the discussion will include pipelines, fracking, domestic petroleum production, nuclear power plant licensing, alternative fuels......also potential realignment of the US Congress may be in play.....
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02-25-2022, 04:01 PM
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^^^^ This is true !!
I was sent to "Porsche Hybrid Training" over a decade and a half ago when the Cayenne Hybrid first came out...
Each Dealership had to have a trained tech or they were not allowed to sell a Hybrid..When A Hybrid came into the shop, I was responsible to attack a Hazmat sign to the drivers window and rope off the car in the shop. No one was allowed inside the ropes unless I was in there with them to instruct them.
Specific guidelines and safety procedures had to be followed. and if the high voltage battery was to be removed, I had to gear up like a Bomb Removal Squad..lol
We also had to build a Special High Voltage Battery Storage Facility , encase we had to remove and store a defective EV Battery. A defective/damaged High Voltage Battery was treated like a Bomb !!
I was sent to "Porsche Hybrid Training" over a decade and a half ago when the Cayenne Hybrid first came out...
Each Dealership had to have a trained tech or they were not allowed to sell a Hybrid..When A Hybrid came into the shop, I was responsible to attack a Hazmat sign to the drivers window and rope off the car in the shop. No one was allowed inside the ropes unless I was in there with them to instruct them.
Specific guidelines and safety procedures had to be followed. and if the high voltage battery was to be removed, I had to gear up like a Bomb Removal Squad..lol
We also had to build a Special High Voltage Battery Storage Facility , encase we had to remove and store a defective EV Battery. A defective/damaged High Voltage Battery was treated like a Bomb !!
EV design is really interesting!
But I have decided that repairing EVs is not in the cards for me.
02-25-2022, 04:02 PM
#43
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Too many threads on RL about this, mods please delete some.
OP: Never post anything from Communist News Network
OP: Never post anything from Communist News Network
02-25-2022, 04:11 PM
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