Preemptive PPI
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Preemptive PPI
If I want to sell my car, would buyers prefer their own PPI or would it be beneficial to have the pan dropped with an oil filter check etc ahead of time for the buyer's confidence?
Professional detail, professional pictures, up to date maintenance, what's important in the 911 buyer's pool?
or just ignore all that trash and list it on BAT for 25% over market +buyer's fees?
Professional detail, professional pictures, up to date maintenance, what's important in the 911 buyer's pool?
or just ignore all that trash and list it on BAT for 25% over market +buyer's fees?
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Jan 12, 2022, 10:41 AM
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Personally, I probably wouldn't sell to anyone who wanted to do a PPI. With the market hot and plenty of competition between sellers, I see no reason to tie the car up waiting for a PPI.
I'd spend the money on a detail and tell any buyer that they are welcome to bring anyone they want to inspect the car on site.
I'd spend the money on a detail and tell any buyer that they are welcome to bring anyone they want to inspect the car on site.
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It depends. If a seller has UOAs, reasonably comprehensive maintenance history, Durametric printout and recent pics from last time sump was dropped (and bonus camera footage of the bottoms of the cylinders); I personally would not need a PPI. I’d be confident in my buying decision. Alternatively, if you could have a list of area experts available for PPI and what your conditions are for getting the PPI done, I think you’d have the option to do less up-front prep time and out-of-pocket cost.
If you do everything in paragraph 2 of your post and have the PPI options for them, you’ll max profit potential and min time/cost for sale. Screw BaT and the s*** show that circus can become. A buyer will see the car, talk to you and get psyched about the purchase, leaving bags of large denominations on your counter.
If you do everything in paragraph 2 of your post and have the PPI options for them, you’ll max profit potential and min time/cost for sale. Screw BaT and the s*** show that circus can become. A buyer will see the car, talk to you and get psyched about the purchase, leaving bags of large denominations on your counter.
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Buyer always beware.
Represent the car as best you can. Receipts, clean it up and take some great pics and driving videos. If you do your own PPI people will be skeptical and may even hold you liable for the results say something were to happen.
Let the buyer pay for their own PPI then they and their mechanics are responsible. Just make sure you get a copy of said PPI for your records.
Represent the car as best you can. Receipts, clean it up and take some great pics and driving videos. If you do your own PPI people will be skeptical and may even hold you liable for the results say something were to happen.
Let the buyer pay for their own PPI then they and their mechanics are responsible. Just make sure you get a copy of said PPI for your records.
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If I were to put my car up for sale on BAT, PCAR or whatever, I would do the following to get top dollar.
1. Scope the Bores , take lots of pictures and video to prove they are in excellent shape.
2. Begin an oil testing regime over the next 6 months to prove that the internals of the engine are in excellent shape.
3. Take footage of an oil and filter change with opening up the filter to prove there is no debris.
4. Construct a binder with all 20 years of service records, parts etc; to prove that the car has been properly serviced.
These 4 things prove that your car is mechanically sound. If you see something for sale and these 4 things aren't included, it means either the owner is clueless, or the owner doesn't have anything good to report, and you should run as freeking fast from the car as you can.
Yes, car detail inside and out and fixing any imperfections is important as well. But proving engine health is paramount.
So if you car looks beautiful and you can prove it has a great engine, then you get big bucks.
If your car looks beautiful and you cannot prove it has a great engine, then you may or may not get big bucks depending on the whims of the market on that particular day.
Lastly, if you get a bore scope, begin an oil testing regime, check your oil filter and sump a few times and find nothing, you may breath a sigh of relief and fall in love with your 996 all over again.
Worst case is that if your car and engine are perfect, and you don't get the price you want, you don't have to sell it. You have the luxury of waiting for when the market is ready for higher quality 996s.
1. Scope the Bores , take lots of pictures and video to prove they are in excellent shape.
2. Begin an oil testing regime over the next 6 months to prove that the internals of the engine are in excellent shape.
3. Take footage of an oil and filter change with opening up the filter to prove there is no debris.
4. Construct a binder with all 20 years of service records, parts etc; to prove that the car has been properly serviced.
These 4 things prove that your car is mechanically sound. If you see something for sale and these 4 things aren't included, it means either the owner is clueless, or the owner doesn't have anything good to report, and you should run as freeking fast from the car as you can.
Yes, car detail inside and out and fixing any imperfections is important as well. But proving engine health is paramount.
So if you car looks beautiful and you can prove it has a great engine, then you get big bucks.
If your car looks beautiful and you cannot prove it has a great engine, then you may or may not get big bucks depending on the whims of the market on that particular day.
Lastly, if you get a bore scope, begin an oil testing regime, check your oil filter and sump a few times and find nothing, you may breath a sigh of relief and fall in love with your 996 all over again.
Worst case is that if your car and engine are perfect, and you don't get the price you want, you don't have to sell it. You have the luxury of waiting for when the market is ready for higher quality 996s.
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If I were to put my car up for sale on BAT, PCAR or whatever, I would do the following to get top dollar.
1. Scope the Bores , take lots of pictures and video to prove they are in excellent shape.
2. Begin an oil testing regime over the next 6 months to prove that the internals of the engine are in excellent shape.
3. Take footage of an oil and filter change with opening up the filter to prove there is no debris.
4. Construct a binder with all 20 years of service records, parts etc; to prove that the car has been properly serviced.
These 4 things prove that your car is mechanically sound. If you see something for sale and these 4 things aren't included, it means either the owner is clueless, or the owner doesn't have anything good to report, and you should run as freeking fast from the car as you can.
Yes, car detail inside and out and fixing any imperfections is important as well. But proving engine health is paramount.
So if you car looks beautiful and you can prove it has a great engine, then you get big bucks.
If your car looks beautiful and you cannot prove it has a great engine, then you may or may not get big bucks depending on the whims of the market on that particular day.
Lastly, if you get a bore scope, begin an oil testing regime, check your oil filter and sump a few times and find nothing, you may breath a sigh of relief and fall in love with your 996 all over again.
Worst case is that if your car and engine are perfect, and you don't get the price you want, you don't have to sell it. You have the luxury of waiting for when the market is ready for higher quality 996s.
1. Scope the Bores , take lots of pictures and video to prove they are in excellent shape.
2. Begin an oil testing regime over the next 6 months to prove that the internals of the engine are in excellent shape.
3. Take footage of an oil and filter change with opening up the filter to prove there is no debris.
4. Construct a binder with all 20 years of service records, parts etc; to prove that the car has been properly serviced.
These 4 things prove that your car is mechanically sound. If you see something for sale and these 4 things aren't included, it means either the owner is clueless, or the owner doesn't have anything good to report, and you should run as freeking fast from the car as you can.
Yes, car detail inside and out and fixing any imperfections is important as well. But proving engine health is paramount.
So if you car looks beautiful and you can prove it has a great engine, then you get big bucks.
If your car looks beautiful and you cannot prove it has a great engine, then you may or may not get big bucks depending on the whims of the market on that particular day.
Lastly, if you get a bore scope, begin an oil testing regime, check your oil filter and sump a few times and find nothing, you may breath a sigh of relief and fall in love with your 996 all over again.
Worst case is that if your car and engine are perfect, and you don't get the price you want, you don't have to sell it. You have the luxury of waiting for when the market is ready for higher quality 996s.
lmao buying a 996 is the worst decision I've ever made
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If it's a 3.4L I wouldn't bother with borescoping or a PPI if the car is well documented. 3.6L or 3.8L absolutely borescope with part of PPI.
I wouldn't necessarily do it as a seller, but that's become I'm lazy. If a seller wanted to pay and there wasn't a rush on sale, wouldn't mind letting them have one done.
Professional detail and pictures are subjective. As long as the car is well cared for, not sure those extra costs are really worth it. Personal opinion.
I wouldn't necessarily do it as a seller, but that's become I'm lazy. If a seller wanted to pay and there wasn't a rush on sale, wouldn't mind letting them have one done.
Professional detail and pictures are subjective. As long as the car is well cared for, not sure those extra costs are really worth it. Personal opinion.
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I’d list it for the price I want and not spend an unnecessary dollar more than I thought it would take to get it. If market was soft to my price and I thought additional investment in PPI or detailing or whatever was required, I d either lower the price or give the market what it wants.
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What GC996 said 100%. What I would add to that is, if you're not selling it on an auction site and will post it elsewhere, be it facebook marketplace or craigslist, put some thought into writing a proper ad copy. Be honest and tell a story of the ownership and why you're selling it. I can't stress enough how well stuff like that will resonate with the right buyer. No need to be poetic or anything but this is your opportunity to demonstrate how well you know and took care of the car. Doing this will probably also answer many common questions a buyer will have. The right buyer will appreciate this and it will make for a smooth experience for both parties. I've done this recently with my dads 2005 Forested with over 160k miles and it was a seamless of a transaction as you'd want. In the world of ads that go "runs well, no accidents and runs well" you want to stand out and it pays.
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What GC996 said 100%. What I would add to that is, if you're not selling it on an auction site and will post it elsewhere, be it facebook marketplace or craigslist, put some thought into writing a proper ad copy. Be honest and tell a story of the ownership and why you're selling it. I can't stress enough how well stuff like that will resonate with the right buyer. No need to be poetic or anything but this is your opportunity to demonstrate how well you know and took care of the car. Doing this will probably also answer many common questions a buyer will have. The right buyer will appreciate this and it will make for a smooth experience for both parties. I've done this recently with my dads 2005 Forested with over 160k miles and it was a seamless of a transaction as you'd want. In the world of ads that go "runs well, no accidents and runs well" you want to stand out and it pays.
If I were to put my car up for sale on BAT, PCAR or whatever, I would do the following to get top dollar.
1. Scope the Bores , take lots of pictures and video to prove they are in excellent shape.
2. Begin an oil testing regime over the next 6 months to prove that the internals of the engine are in excellent shape.
3. Take footage of an oil and filter change with opening up the filter to prove there is no debris.
4. Construct a binder with all 20 years of service records, parts etc; to prove that the car has been properly serviced.
These 4 things prove that your car is mechanically sound. If you see something for sale and these 4 things aren't included, it means either the owner is clueless, or the owner doesn't have anything good to report, and you should run as freeking fast from the car as you can.
1. Scope the Bores , take lots of pictures and video to prove they are in excellent shape.
2. Begin an oil testing regime over the next 6 months to prove that the internals of the engine are in excellent shape.
3. Take footage of an oil and filter change with opening up the filter to prove there is no debris.
4. Construct a binder with all 20 years of service records, parts etc; to prove that the car has been properly serviced.
These 4 things prove that your car is mechanically sound. If you see something for sale and these 4 things aren't included, it means either the owner is clueless, or the owner doesn't have anything good to report, and you should run as freeking fast from the car as you can.
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Or just list it for sale and see what you get.
Even though I have owned my 996 since 2002, I have only been on RL since 12/19, so I have no long-term data to quantify typical turnover of the 996. But it seems that a number of folks who purchased a 996 during the pandemic are about to sell their cars. Whether it's a profit trade, been there and done that trade, or a "reality has set in that it costs money to service these cars" sale...
If you want top dollar, you gotta do top dollar things.
If you just want any dollar due to the whims of the market, just list it and be done with it.
You will be missed.
Even though I have owned my 996 since 2002, I have only been on RL since 12/19, so I have no long-term data to quantify typical turnover of the 996. But it seems that a number of folks who purchased a 996 during the pandemic are about to sell their cars. Whether it's a profit trade, been there and done that trade, or a "reality has set in that it costs money to service these cars" sale...
If you want top dollar, you gotta do top dollar things.
If you just want any dollar due to the whims of the market, just list it and be done with it.
You will be missed.
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E30 M3 for sale. Inquire within. Maybe 1 pic if you are lucky. Seller gets 1XX inquires that day.
The buyers will come, throw it up.
But you better be prepared when they start calling. Send out the email instantly showing records, amazing pics etc... That's what sells a car. The car yes of course, but how the seller responds is more important.
I don't mind the lazy for sale ad but stay away from the lazy seller after initial contact has been made.