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Old Jul 31, 2024 | 10:48 PM
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In my stock 05 997.1 C2S with filter change and at least 1 hour drain time, it takes exactly 8 quarts every time to read at the top arrow or 1 segment down from the top arrow.

In my supercharged car based on the same year and platform with a MantisSport 2L deep sump, it takes exactly 10 quarts to be at the same level.
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Old Aug 1, 2024 | 06:19 AM
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All M96 and M97 have the same architect/sump...

I have said it many time before , Porsche lowered the oil fill level in the 3 chain engines shortly after 2002 due to the inefficacies of the AOS....The base Carrera engine was never meant for extreme high-G turns above what could be had using the Factory "N" rated tires ....It even says so in your owners manual...

But lowering the oil level because of the crappy AOS meant there were more 3 chain engines failing from oil starvation on the Track....this was commonly known...

I have Track Data on the Mantis Sump, and it can certainly benefit from the extra quart of oil provided by the UAOS Track System
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Old Aug 2, 2024 | 10:03 PM
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Thanks again, Skip!

How many of these have you made so far? Just curious
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Old Aug 3, 2024 | 12:01 AM
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I just got a text message from my machine shop saying my 4th batch of UIDS's will ship out on Monday....

There is a Ton more machine work involved in the full CNC'd Billet Twin Tunnel Port / UIDS's , than in other deep sumps that are just Sand Casted and machined across the top .

And the baffles are all "hand made" after the pattern is cut out on a Water Jet ,instead of just using the factory baffles...

I'll have to ask Noah how many hours of actual CNC machine time goes into a batch of UIDS's ...

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Old Sep 20, 2024 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Porschetech3
I just got a text message from my machine shop saying my 4th batch of UIDS's will ship out on Monday....

There is a Ton more machine work involved in the full CNC'd Billet Twin Tunnel Port / UIDS's , than in other deep sumps that are just Sand Casted and machined across the top .

And the baffles are all "hand made" after the pattern is cut out on a Water Jet ,instead of just using the factory baffles...

I'll have to ask Noah how many hours of actual CNC machine time goes into a batch of UIDS's ...
They came out great. A lot of work/time into them.



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Old Sep 21, 2024 | 01:13 AM
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@diddy2003 thanks for the pIc !!! Yes Noah did a great job
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Old Sep 21, 2024 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Porschetech3
@diddy2003 thanks for the pIc !!! Yes Noah did a great job
It’s approx 15 hrs of machine time for each sump with parts, PER sump.
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Old Sep 21, 2024 | 02:25 PM
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Them's real pretty, fir sho.
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Originally Posted by diddy2003
It’s approx 15 hrs of machine time for each sump with parts, PER sump.
Wow, that’s a lot
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Old Sep 22, 2024 | 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by diddy2003
It’s approx 15 hrs of machine time for each sump with parts, PER sump.

@diddy2003 Thanks for that info, I knew it was a LOt of Machine Time....and those CNC machines ain't cheap
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Old Sep 23, 2024 | 12:28 PM
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Installed my sump. Super easy. Worked PERFECTLY at the track. Great combo with a FSI engine.

Thank you!
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Been very happy with mine!

I would get another one if I were buying another 996....
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Old Oct 24, 2024 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by sdematt
Been very happy with mine!

I would get another one if I were buying another 996....

Been tempting to make me depart from only Mezgers to adding a M96 powered car to the 996 collection
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Old Oct 24, 2024 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDeckMan

Been tempting to make me depart from only Mezgers to adding a M96 powered car to the 996 collection
Yes do it !! Join the M96 Club !!

We need more quality owners with the wherewithal/resources that you have ...

Get a 996 with FSI 4.0 equipped with UAOS Track and UIDS and enjoy ....or help develop some more performance/durability enhancing products ...

The lure of the Carrera for me was that it was not designed to be the "top of the line" Porsche Sports Car,..but has so much potential.....

Back about 40 years ago I took a 96HP 2.0 Liter engine to 525hp and 12K rpm with stock crank/block/ and head to set World Records.......With the Technology of today I'm sure I could get 1000HP on the same engine...

The Internet consensus says the M96 would just blow up if Turbocharged, but the speakers of this wisdom never say what part will break...lol....will it be the LN/Hartech sleeves that break? the rods? the pistons ? ..they never say...just say that it will break.......lol

If I were 30 years younger I would test this theory to the max to see i anything would break and need improving.....so far the Cylinders have been addressed, the IMS has been addressed, The AOS has been addressed, The Oiling System/Sump design has been addressed.....so what else needs to be addressed? It would need to be pushed beyond the norm to find out...

One thing I learned back 40 years ago when pushing a factory design to 5x its design parameters, is that it doesn't matter the original brand of the design when it comes to cost.......the cost of specialized/custom products is the same no matter if it is going into a Porsche Engine or a Yugo Engine.....You find the best person/company that does custom rods, pistons ect , then send them the drawings/specs of what you want, if its a piston you will give them all the specs and they will build them exactly to your specs and the cost is the same no matter what engine it going into....Sure off the shelf stuff is cheap due to volume, but custom parts cost the same no matter if it's an SBC or a Porsche...in fact custom parts for a flat 6 will cost less than custom parts for a V8 simply because you will need less of them per engine..and 4 cylinder parts per engine will be less because you only need half as many per engine than a V8...

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Old Oct 25, 2024 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Porschetech3
Yes do it !! Join the M96 Club !!

We need more quality owners with the wherewithal/resources that you have ...

Get a 996 with FSI 4.0 equipped with UAOS Track and UIDS and enjoy ....or help develop some more performance/durability enhancing products ...

The lure of the Carrera for me was that it was not designed to be the "top of the line" Porsche Sports Car,..but has so much potential.....

Back about 40 years ago I took a 96HP 2.0 Liter engine to 525hp and 12K rpm with stock crank/block/ and head to set World Records.......With the Technology of today I'm sure I could get 1000HP on the same engine...

The Internet consensus says the M96 would just blow up if Turbocharged, but the speakers of this wisdom never say what part will break...lol....will it be the LN/Hartech sleeves that break? the rods? the pistons ? ..they never say...just say that it will break.......lol

If I were 30 years younger I would test this theory to the max to see i anything would break and need improving.....so far the Cylinders have been addressed, the IMS has been addressed, The AOS has been addressed, The Oiling System/Sump design has been addressed.....so what else needs to be addressed? It would need to be pushed beyond the norm to find out...

One thing I learned back 40 years ago when pushing a factory design to 5x its design parameters, is that it doesn't matter the original brand of the design when it comes to cost.......the cost of specialized/custom products is the same no matter if it is going into a Porsche Engine or a Yugo Engine.....You find the best person/company that does custom rods, pistons ect , then send them the drawings/specs of what you want, if its a piston you will give them all the specs and they will build them exactly to your specs and the cost is the same no matter what engine it going into....Sure off the shelf stuff is cheap due to volume, but custom parts cost the same no matter if it's an SBC or a Porsche...in fact custom parts for a flat 6 will cost less than custom parts for a V8 simply because you will need less of them per engine..and 4 cylinder parts per engine will be less because you only need half as many per engine than a V8...
I have been close to pulling the trigger a couple times, just have not found the right car to do a build with. Of course Patrick is busting my ***** all the time to build a hot rod outlaw 996 M96 engine, 4.0L with my suspension components, your sump and a pile of Manthey body parts to save weight would be a hell of a car....

Time I think is always the biggest constraint with the businesses being so busy. However got to take time away to fill ones personal enjoyment cup time to time with projects like this.


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