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Old Jan 17, 2022 | 09:42 AM
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All it takes is a few more buyers. Doesn't mean it's going to happen overnight. It will take all year for the DE world to understand the significance of the UIDS. But it will have an effect on demand. Street guys won't understand nor care.
If the same set of fixes are happening to the other water cooled models it may not make much of a difference in 996 market pressure. It depends on how serious you are about tracking a car, which is an expensive proposition no matter what you drive.

Secondly, I don't know what percentage of 911 owners actually repeatedly track their cars anymore. Porsche marketing must feel it is a relatively small segment or they would have addressed the issues in subsequent iterations of their models.

My guess is that Porsche was following what they thought was the market when they started adding things like cup holders to their cars. Now the new models have backup cameras, adaptable cruise control, Lane Keep Assist including Traffic Sign Recognition as options. Is AutoPilot next?

However, kudos to the aftermarket for developing things like the ultimate integrated dry-sump system to give back some of the inherent properties of the older 911s.
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Old Jan 17, 2022 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Marv
If the same set of fixes are happening to the other water cooled models it may not make much of a difference in 996 market pressure. It depends on how serious you are about tracking a car, which is an expensive proposition no matter what you drive.

Secondly, I don't know what percentage of 911 owners actually repeatedly track their cars anymore. Porsche marketing must feel it is a relatively small segment or they would have addressed the issues in subsequent iterations of their models.

My guess is that Porsche was following what they thought was the market when they started adding things like cup holders to their cars. Now the new models have backup cameras, adaptable cruise control, Lane Keep Assist including Traffic Sign Recognition as options. Is AutoPilot next?

However, kudos to the aftermarket for developing things like the ultimate integrated dry-sump system to give back some of the inherent properties of the older 911s.
M96 engines only. Still at the "throw away" engine stage for 991 and 992. But, to your point, many of the M96 issues were addressed with the 997.2/991/992. However, with any new technology comes a new set of issues and the 991 and 992 have their own set of them that we will read about over the next 20 years.

Add Edit: Your question/point on how many Porsche owners have actually tracked their cars, I don't know. But PCA probably has the data. As an overall percentage it's is most likely small due to all of the new Cayenne, Macan, Panamera and Taycan owners. But as an overall number, I suspect it tallies up to a significant number over 10k in the US. But this is just a guess. All it takes is a few more buyers than sellers and prices go up, and all it takes to get a few more buyers is a good reason. Solving oil starvation and pressure stability in an incredible 996 chassis is a pretty damn good reason if you want to learn to drive on the track.

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Old Jan 17, 2022 | 03:49 PM
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41K+ for an early ‘99 in a common (best) color and 59K miles

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...1-carrera-255/


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Old Jan 17, 2022 | 04:05 PM
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With a result like that, I'm even more confident that my 1999 with 45,500 miles is priced at a value at $45k.
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Old Jan 17, 2022 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by GC996
M96 engines only. Still at the "throw away" engine stage for 991 and 992. But, to your point, many of the M96 issues were addressed with the 997.2/991/992. However, with any new technology comes a new set of issues and the 991 and 992 have their own set of them that we will read about over the next 20 years.

Add Edit: Your question/point on how many Porsche owners have actually tracked their cars, I don't know. But PCA probably has the data. As an overall percentage it's is most likely small due to all of the new Cayenne, Macan, Panamera and Taycan owners. But as an overall number, I suspect it tallies up to a significant number over 10k in the US. But this is just a guess. All it takes is a few more buyers than sellers and prices go up, and all it takes to get a few more buyers is a good reason. Solving oil starvation and pressure stability in an incredible 996 chassis is a pretty damn good reason if you want to learn to drive on the track.
The same benefits would also hold true for the Cayman. They certainly do well at the autocross being so well balanced. I suspect the GT4 RS, when released, is going to be a real animal on the track.

Modifying for track work depends on how far down the track rabbit hole you want to go. GT3 Cup cars are pretty reasonable if you want something dedicated for track only, but the number of people that are on that end of the poll have got to be few.

All in all it is good news for M96 engine owners and the assessment you made earlie of the threegrades of upgrades and how they appeal to owners is probably spot on.
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Old Jan 17, 2022 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by philbert996
41K+ for an early ‘99 in a common (best) color and 59K miles

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...1-carrera-255/

Did they ever say...or did anyone even ask...which IMS was used for the replacement? I didn't note it in the listing.
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Old Jan 17, 2022 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by philbert996
41K+ for an early ‘99 in a common (best) color and 59K miles

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...1-carrera-255/
While 996 shopping during the summer of 2018 I was finding similar cars all day long for low-mid 20's. Should have bought two.
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Old Jan 17, 2022 | 05:27 PM
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I bought my 3/98 C2 for $33K last July knowing I was at the top of the market. But it had well documented service history and I've been waiting since 1967 to get a 911 so I didn't feel too bad about the price and I didn't feel that I substantially overpaid for what I got. It has about the same mileage and specs as this one that just sold but it does have a Metropol blue interior, 408's, LSD and traction control. I'm a happy camper...but the sale today really made me an even happier camper.
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Old Jan 17, 2022 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by pcarfan944
While 996 shopping during the summer of 2018 I was finding similar cars all day long for low-mid 20's. Should have bought two.
If we are playing the hindsight game, that money should have been put into Bitcoin in 2018.
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Old Jan 17, 2022 | 05:50 PM
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Or MSFT in 2000
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Old Jan 17, 2022 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Springbank
I bought my 3/98 C2 for $33K last July knowing I was at the top of the market. But it had well documented service history and I've been waiting since 1967 to get a 911 so I didn't feel too bad about the price and I didn't feel that I substantially overpaid for what I got. It has about the same mileage and specs as this one that just sold but it does have a Metropol blue interior, 408's, LSD and traction control. I'm a happy camper...but the sale today really made me an even happier camper.

Well, I think the 996 has been undervalued for a long time so in the end, I don't think that's a bad price. It just took the end of the world and every other car going up in value to bring the 996 up.
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Old Jan 17, 2022 | 06:06 PM
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May regret typing this sentence, but I'm tossing the idea around about listing mine and moving into a Macan GTS.

Sigh.
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Old Jan 17, 2022 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Lady Silver
Or MSFT in 2000
Or the Railroad industry in the late 1800s.
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Old Jan 17, 2022 | 06:29 PM
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…. but I'm tossing the idea around about listing mine and moving into a Macan GTS.

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Old Jan 17, 2022 | 06:33 PM
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LOLd at this and it’s very relatable, trust me.

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