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Old 10-19-2021, 09:40 AM
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My first thread start was actually January 22, 2005, in the 996 Technical Forum, regarding a MY1999 996.

We’ve come a long way Baby



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I’ve been on this forum fairly regularly since 2014, and the first I’ve seen of you here (at least noticed)
Old 10-19-2021, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by bdronsick
With all due respect, lightning strikes many hundreds of people in the US alone every year.

And we have not heard of 3.4 bore scoring incidence anywhere even nearing this frequency (of hundreds per year).

So yes, but perhaps I should have said “struck twice”
Or perhaps you shouldn’t have said it at all? Since not every 996 owner with a 3.4l M96 is on the Rennlist forum or even knows what bore scoring is (most people think it’s a “sticky lifter”) I’d say the number of cases is hardly quantifiable, but most likely a good deal higher than lightning strikes on the same cars (which is what you said - not people). Perhaps you should just own your misstatement and move on
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Turns out cars are more likely to be struck by lightning than people (antennas [996 Option #440 Roof Antenna], metal Faraday cage, etc.).

In fact 1% of all fires caused by lighting strike are vehicle fires:

Apparently this is a huge problem now for self driving cars, with no intrinsic fear of lightning: Self-Driving Cars And Lightning

Which begs the real question: which is more damaging to a 997 S 3.8: lightning or bore scoring?



Originally Posted by dporto
Or perhaps you shouldn’t have said it at all? Since not every 996 owner with a 3.4l M96 is on the Rennlist forum or even knows what bore scoring is (most people think it’s a “sticky lifter”) I’d say the number of cases is hardly quantifiable, but most likely a good deal higher than lightning strikes on the same cars (which is what you said - not people). Perhaps you should just own your misstatement and move on

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Originally Posted by bdronsick
With all due respect, lightning strikes many hundreds of people in the US alone every year.

And we have not heard of 3.4 bore scoring incidence anywhere even nearing this frequency (of hundreds per year).

So yes, but perhaps I should have said “struck twice”
You can not compare "hundreds" across a population of 330 million people in the US, with the frequency of issues across 996.1's (of which there were only around 77 thousand 3.4's in the entire world). Your statistic could not possibly be more inaccurate and more misleading. Everyone makes a mistake now and then, or says things tongue-in-cheek, but don't continue to defend something that is blatantly inaccurate and misleading. As a 996.1 owner, I'd like for you to be right; however, it's far more important that we have an true sense of the actual incidence rate among 3.4's.
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Originally Posted by bdronsick
In fact 1% of all fires caused by lighting strike are vehicle fires: https://youtu.be/oizfYsA1e2c
A 1% chance to get back to the future? I'll take it, Doc.

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OK I’ll quote our local friend here who has split more 911 motors than Porsche: “Bore scoring is virtually non existent in the 3.4” -Jake Raby



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it's far more important that we have an true sense of the actual incidence rate among 3.4's.
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Old 10-19-2021, 05:19 PM
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Y'all seem mad at the internet
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I have nothing and no one to blame for my Porsche addiction but the wicked World Wide Web
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Originally Posted by bdronsick
OK I’ll quote our local friend here who has split more 911 motors than Porsche: “Bore scoring is virtually non existent in the 3.4” -Jake Raby
Four questions for you:

1. What makes the cylinders different in the 3.4 from the 3.6?
2. Do 3.4 owners change their oil more often than 3.6 owners?
3. Do 3.4 owners change their fuel injectors more often than 3.6 owners.
4. Do 3.4 owners use different gas than 3.6 owners?

Love your banter but you gotta stop talking so much smack.
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Physics. As the bore and or stroke (IE HP) increases, stresses increase linearly, compounded exponentially further by decreased mass of the static heat sink / vibration damper (block). Resulting in higher operating temperatures, less cooling / oiling capacity, and reduced service life.

Hartech in GB wrote a literal book on this, their conclusion is the 3.4 bore/stroke sits at the uppermost limit of what the wet sump M96 block can reliably output at the maximum power range. All the further reduced M96/97 blocks are compromised, with the 3.8 being exceptionally so.

The problem isn’t so much the increasingly larger bores, as it is the concomitantly smaller blocks. Essentially because oiling and cooling capacity remain essentially the same across all non Mezger M96/97 variants (so-called “powerkits” and nano-improvements throughout notwithstanding).





Originally Posted by GC996
Four questions for you:

1. What makes the cylinders different in the 3.4 from the 3.6?
2. Do 3.4 owners change their oil more often than 3.6 owners?
3. Do 3.4 owners change their fuel injectors more often than 3.6 owners.
4. Do 3.4 owners use different gas than 3.6 owners?

Love your banter but you gotta stop talking so much smack.

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Has BAT lowered their standards for the 996?
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...-cabriolet-17/


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Originally Posted by philbert996
Has BAT lowered their standards for the 996?
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...-cabriolet-17/

I don't get your point. Then again I'm a noobie to P-cars.
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Originally Posted by philbert996
Has BAT lowered their standards for the 996?
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...-cabriolet-17/

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Originally Posted by bmchan
I don't get your point. Then again I'm a noobie to P-cars.
Wrong cluster, poorly fitted turbo rear bumper. I believe there was other stuff too


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