jdbornem

Sure, like growing back to the 3.6 airbox!
The 3.8 had 3.7% less injector time, but also had 4.1% less air! The result being... drum roll... 4.1% less calculated HP potential.

___________3.6______3.8_____delta
MAF(g/s)___249.7___239.4___ -4.1%
Injector(ms)__16.7___16.08___-3.7%

I'm not making final conclusions here. I'll probably do some more data collections between the two before reaching a final conclusion. There are threads here claiming that for larger bore rebuilds, the 3.8 might be a better box to use, and that certainly may be true. I suppose it's possible that I'm just limited by how much air my stock 3.6 can pump? Not sure why the 3.6 would be better than the 3.8 in any case, but like I said... more data...

Porschetech3

Yep, I have seen some pretty big "whoppers" on Wikipedia...but it was late last night and I didn't feel like "fact checking"at the time and thought Zbomb needed to feel like he got one..

But here is the Bosch Patent for the popular wide-band that every one is using and is used by all the aftermarket stand alone wide band kits... The patent was applied for in 1998 and was granted in 2004, and was first used in Carrera in 2005 on 997, and was first used in the 2001 Turbo...

https://patents.google.com/patent/DE19815700A1/en

zbomb

It just bothers me when people make **** up....

Porschetech3

Well, there is the proof/patent.......

zbomb

Which also shows you were wrong.

The fact that you didn't know people were running widebands in the early 2K's is demonstrative that you were not playing with your little turbo fords then, if you were, you would have had a wideband in the car like the rest of us running a lot of boost did at the time.

The innovate LM1 and AEM UEGO both came out around 2002, 2003.

Porschetech3

No I was't wrong ,..even though I was going off just memory and not "trying to prove someone wrong"....

The Bosch wideband you are referring too , was "Invented/patent applied for in 1998"...and not "granted" until 2004...But the 996/m96 was already being produced in 1997....so therefore " was not yet invented" is TRUE ...lol

Edit:: and yes my TurboCoupe also had a Innovate WB with a Cobra Maf swap,EECIV with Quartehorse switchable chip to E85, double size Injectors, big Turbo, all the boost, ect.. all in the early 2k's

zbomb

You said

Here's the link to the SAE paper on wideband 02 sensors, it was written in 1992.

https://www.sae.org/publications/tec...ontent/920234/

Porschetech3

So ? It was a "concept" ( not finish project) in 1992, but what I proved is that it was an "invention" in 1998......and that is simply what I said , but if you want to split hairs....show me an earlier patent for a Bosch wideband..

zbomb

You didn't say Bosch wideband...

You said

I don't know why you keep bringing it up other than a completely desperate attempt to not be wrong which to anyone with 2 working brain cells, you are...

From the paper written in 1992:

Porschetech3

lol, our cars don't even have wideband sensors, so just stop...lol

Bosch is the OEM supplier to Porsche for these kinds of things, and is the only ones who matter, and if they didn't have it yet,, they didn't have it yet...if they would have had it perfected by 1997, it would have been on our cars, trust me...

zbomb

I never said our cars had wideband sensors.

Porschetech3

Then what in the world are you trying to prove?

zbomb

Wideband sensors were indeed invented before the 996 was.

I think maybe what you meant to say was - wideband sensors had not yet been equipped on a Porsche...

But you didn't - you said something had not been invented that clearly had.

Porschetech3

It should have been understood that I was speaking about Bosch widebands....because Porsche only uses Bosch Sensors...always have and always will AFAIK

EVOMMM

This bickering really doesn’t help anyone and it’s extremely childish the negativity only turns people OFF