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Old 07-29-2018, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by mayday1

Should I go ahead and rebuild the rear calipers just in case :-)?
I don’t see how the rear calipers are the problem. You rebuilt the fronts and still have the problem, so i would expect that if you rebuilt the rear, the problem would still exist.
Old 07-29-2018, 09:40 AM
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You have first posted of this problem on July 6th and asked for help from an internet forum. Many have weighed in and offered advice. You still have the problem. Perhaps you should consider taking it to a professional brake specialist for evaluation. Horror of horror I know, but even a Porsche dealer has some very experienced technicians. Brakes and brake systems are something you really need to have work perfectly.
Old 07-29-2018, 03:36 PM
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If you are determined to repair this issue your self, I suggest you get a quality Digital pressure gauge with a range of 3000 psi and an accuracy of 1 psi and install it at your caliper for diagnosis. You can get fittings to install at the bleeder valve or at the flex hose.
Old 07-30-2018, 09:31 AM
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I think i would have just bit the bullet and got a new booster and 996 master or maybe the 997 master. I have seen threads on the upgrade? U have already replaced the most of the system not that many more things that can be wrong.
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I suspected the problem is either in the master cylinder or the brake booster after watching this video last night:

https://theshopmag.com/videos/traini...od-depth-gauge

Tonight I pulled out the master cylinder and brake booster, and measured the clearance between the master cylinder and the booster push rod with a vernier caliper.

I got a clearance of -1.1mm. This is most likely my brake dragging problem. I have no idea how it got that way, and I don´t know if it is the master cylinder being off,
or the brake booster being off. Both are in very good condition with no corrosion. The foam air filter in the back of the brake booster is disintegrating
from age, but there is no sign of water damage or rust in the booster, the internal parts are nice and shiny.

The proper thing to do is to shorten the booster push rod, but it doesn´t look adjustible.
Old 08-06-2018, 03:52 AM
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A new vacuum booster from TRW arrived this weekend, and I measured the push rod, and it is recessed 1.5mm more than the old booster., that gives the need clearance to avoid constantly pushing the
master cylinder piston. After putting it in, the brake drag problem seems to be gone. I drove around a couple of hours and the front wheels were hot (50-55C) and the rotors were about 60C, so I think the problem is fixed.

Unfortunately the one of the hard brakelines from the ABS to the fender has a slight weep. I didn´t tighten the brake lines to the ABS too much since I was worried about stripping the aluminium block, I tightened the said
line by about 1/4 turn, we´ll see if that fixes the weeping.

I need to bleed the brakes again since they now feel a little spongy, may be I didn´t bleed properly or that weep was causing the spongy brakes.

At least there is light in the end of the tunnel! Thanks for all those suggesting the replacement of the booster, I should have listened to you guys and wouldn´t have needlessly replaced so much
stuff. Live and learn.
Old 08-06-2018, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by mayday1
A new vacuum booster from TRW arrived this weekend, and I measured the push rod, and it is recessed 1.5mm more than the old booster., that gives the need clearance to avoid constantly pushing the
master cylinder piston. After putting it in, the brake drag problem seems to be gone. I drove around a couple of hours and the front wheels were hot (50-55C) and the rotors were about 60C, so I think the problem is fixed.

Unfortunately the one of the hard brakelines from the ABS to the fender has a slight weep. I didn´t tighten the brake lines to the ABS too much since I was worried about stripping the aluminium block, I tightened the said
line by about 1/4 turn, we´ll see if that fixes the weeping.

I need to bleed the brakes again since they now feel a little spongy, may be I didn´t bleed properly or that weep was causing the spongy brakes.

At least there is light in the end of the tunnel! Thanks for all those suggesting the replacement of the booster, I should have listened to you guys and wouldn´t have needlessly replaced so much
stuff. Live and learn.
If your car is a manual, you will likely want to bleed the clutch slave too as part of your bleeding process. You've had the system open a bunch, so best to bleed it from all possible areas. There is a good writeup on RennTech and Pelican.
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Meh its probably not a bad thing that u rehabed the rest of the system.
Old 08-06-2018, 12:24 PM
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Glad you've found and fixed your problem. If the abs hydraulic lines have been opened, I've read that you'll need PIWIS to cycle the abs valves while bleeding. I think Durametric can do that too but not sure.
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Originally Posted by Kris Murphy
If your car is a manual, you will likely want to bleed the clutch slave too as part of your bleeding process. You've had the system open a bunch, so best to bleed it from all possible areas. There is a good writeup on RennTech and Pelican.
I hear you, even though I didn´t notice anything funny with the clutch, the clutch slave cylinder was last replaced 14K miles ago in 2012, and the previous ownerś receipt says the fluid was replaced with Motul. It is now six years later so I should do a
fluid change this summer since I don´t want to mix Pentosin with the old Motul. Back in January I changed out the LWFW with the OEM DMF, and can vaguely remember that removing the clutch slave cylinder from the tranny was a major pain. I hope bleeding it doesn´t require dropping the tranny again!
Old 08-07-2018, 10:25 AM
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You can bleed the slave from underneath without removing it. It has a bleed nipple like a brake caliper. It's tight, but you can do it.
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Originally Posted by cds72911
You can bleed the slave from underneath without removing it. It has a bleed nipple like a brake caliper. It's tight, but you can do it.
Removing the right rear wheel makes it much easier. Still sucks, but not nearly as much as replacing it.
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Old 08-22-2018, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Kris Murphy
Removing the right rear wheel makes it much easier. Still sucks, but not nearly as much as replacing it.
It turned out to be pretty easy to bleed the clutch hydraulics, but I cheated by using a pressure bleeder.

The car is working fine now, ready for a workout at this weekend's autox.

BTW. I noticed some similarity between the 996.1 ABS unit and my miata's ABS unit.



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