OT: Singer discussion with Jay Leno
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I think they look awesome and probably drive great. That said, what the hell with the price tag.
Why in gods name do they need a $30k custom harness. Its as though the standard harness on a 964 is so full of problems that it just couldn't be used? Same goes for a lot of other stuff. Its custom for custom's sake and the pricetag just makes it silly.
You can recreate the driving experience of a singer for 1/4 of the price, although you may have to make do without aircraft quality soundproofing.
I hate magnus walker, but his cars at least are more interesting to me.
Why in gods name do they need a $30k custom harness. Its as though the standard harness on a 964 is so full of problems that it just couldn't be used? Same goes for a lot of other stuff. Its custom for custom's sake and the pricetag just makes it silly.
You can recreate the driving experience of a singer for 1/4 of the price, although you may have to make do without aircraft quality soundproofing.
I hate magnus walker, but his cars at least are more interesting to me.
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That car is gorgeous!!
I can only imagine how much fun it would be to drive.
The engine and control unit require a custom harness. 30k for that work had to be an exaggeration in the other video, even using mil spec components.
I don't see a huge margin in these cars considering all the low production fabrication. I'll bet the motor builder is getting the lions share of that 350k.
I can only imagine how much fun it would be to drive.
The engine and control unit require a custom harness. 30k for that work had to be an exaggeration in the other video, even using mil spec components.
I don't see a huge margin in these cars considering all the low production fabrication. I'll bet the motor builder is getting the lions share of that 350k.
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The engine and control unit require a custom harness. 30k for that work had to be an exaggeration in the other video, even using mil spec components.
I don't see a huge margin in these cars considering all the low production fabrication. I'll bet the motor builder is getting the lions share of that 350k.
Again, Cosworth is not the only shop that can build a decent motor. Send a 964 motor to Colin at 9m, and you likely end up with a similar package for $35k or so.
That leaves you $65k to do bodywork and some custom touches.
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The 4000 hours to build the car has to be BS unless their production techniques and planning suck. That is two people working 40 hours a week for a work year with 2 weeks vacation for each.
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The reason they've managed such a light curb weight is through their extensive use of carbon fiber in all bodywork, not by making the car "stripped down" and "bare bones."
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Is it a motec? To do parts of the harness custom is fine. They quote $30k. If thats accurate or not, who knows.
Again, Cosworth is not the only shop that can build a decent motor. Send a 964 motor to Colin at 9m, and you likely end up with a similar package for $35k or so.
That leaves you $65k to do bodywork and some custom touches.
Again, Cosworth is not the only shop that can build a decent motor. Send a 964 motor to Colin at 9m, and you likely end up with a similar package for $35k or so.
That leaves you $65k to do bodywork and some custom touches.
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To quote from Apex
"The next step was to redesign the late 80′s engineered wiring harness to suit a 21st century electronics package. This involved building a full millitary-style custom wiring harness for the engine, lighting sub-assemblies and other details such as the adjustable wing and Becker entertainment system."
Boy, that sure SOUND bare-bones to me -- lol!
Ok, nice powerplant, but geeze man, Porsche already had 400+ HP from the old plant on the Turbo, and you can get that one up to 450 without too much work. 9M can do it too for what appears to be less money as well.
Now come the arguments on weight and lag - but I bet the Cosworth engine is quite peaky as well.
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Mike
"The next step was to redesign the late 80′s engineered wiring harness to suit a 21st century electronics package. This involved building a full millitary-style custom wiring harness for the engine, lighting sub-assemblies and other details such as the adjustable wing and Becker entertainment system."
Boy, that sure SOUND bare-bones to me -- lol!
Ok, nice powerplant, but geeze man, Porsche already had 400+ HP from the old plant on the Turbo, and you can get that one up to 450 without too much work. 9M can do it too for what appears to be less money as well.
Now come the arguments on weight and lag - but I bet the Cosworth engine is quite peaky as well.
Cheers,
Mike
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I'm guessing here.. Gt3 crank, ti rods, 3.8 bore in, 9m heads with the best of the best valves, springs/retainers, custom cams, custom headers/exhaust, individual throttle body's, gt3 intake plenum, Motec, harness work, tuning.... It couldn't be done for 35k.. $hit a motor mister rebuild would be half that.
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I think you hit the mark right there, they have to make up for R&D costs which make sense for anybody understanding the manufacturing business. After all, it is a business at the end of the day here to make profit $.
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My dream business. Porsche's are so well built, buying one that has depreciated and restoring and modifying it you can easily end up with a super car. However seems to me if you want a 964 that is better looking and performs better you should just get a 993.
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I used to work for a Porsche tuner on the same level as Cosworth, no way could I build a motor even close to that for under a hundred grand.
I'm guessing here.. Gt3 crank, ti rods, 3.8 bore in, 9m heads with the best of the best valves, springs/retainers, custom cams, custom headers/exhaust, individual throttle body's, gt3 intake plenum, Motec, harness work, tuning.... It couldn't be done for 35k.. $hit a motor mister rebuild would be half that.
I'm guessing here.. Gt3 crank, ti rods, 3.8 bore in, 9m heads with the best of the best valves, springs/retainers, custom cams, custom headers/exhaust, individual throttle body's, gt3 intake plenum, Motec, harness work, tuning.... It couldn't be done for 35k.. $hit a motor mister rebuild would be half that.
come on.
GT3 crank is about $2,000
P&C is about $6,000
Carrillo Rods=$1,000 (i don't think Ti is necessary)
Stuffed heads are like $12k
Cams=$2000
exhaust work=$2000
Intake $5,000
motec= $3,000
$1000, misc bolts and seals
Thats $34k
Sell stock crank $1000
Sell stock p&C $1000
Sell stock heads, stuff=$2k
sell stock intake/exhaust=$1700
Use the remaining $6,700 for the other stuff.
Now...according to Colin, you can make 364hp with just the head package:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=230720
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Your calculations are off, I'm not going to spend the time to prove a point.
The ti rods are necessary to drop weight for that rpm range.
Call Gamroth ask him how much he wants for his slide valve throttle body's.
The ti rods are necessary to drop weight for that rpm range.
Call Gamroth ask him how much he wants for his slide valve throttle body's.