Mike J

While I like the Singer, I really do not get all the hype, especially for the extraordinary money they are asking. Sure, great remanufactured 964, but seriously the BEST 911 ever? Meh. Maybe I need to see one in real life, or just the fact that it's so totally unreachable makes it an easy target.

(Gonna get some PM's on this one.. lol!)

Anyways, some choice comments from the video:

- Best chassis Porsche every put in an air-cooled car? Seriously, comparing the old banana arm setup to the 993 multi-link suspension?
- The 964’s engine was being strangled and Singer "fixed it" – which Porsche did in the 993 design, especially around the exhaust
- $5000 to make the intake’s pretty?
- Not passed smog testing yet, might need the “less extravagant” model?
- Weak point on the 964’s were the headlights? Maybe for the 964 with Halogen bulbs ...
- "We are the biggest Porsche fans on the Planet Earth" - bold statement!
- Magnus Walker is a "one man marketing machine". Well, agree with that one!

But, would Jay buy one? – he liked it, but sure did not sound like it's top on his list. :-)

Cheers,

Mike

hacker-pschorr

The Singer is what a 911 should be: A stripped down, bare bones, unadulterated pure sports car.

Aussie Alan 993

I'd take one on a short test drive, like 10 years or more.

Fox 3

" Best chassis Porsche every put in an air-cooled car (964)"

Minute the guy said that I knew he was full of Shyte! They are buying and re-doing old 964s because they don't want to pay for the ultimate air-cooled 911 (the 993), and can't improve it as much.

Instant loss of credibility when he said that and anything he said beyond that was suspect.

AdaptecSpeedware

I just don't think it looks good.

matt777

I really like as do many but you could do a very similar car for a fraction of the price sans the custom touches. Its been done before. The Singer cars aren't huge expenditures to the people that actually buy them.

tcsracing1

I totally get the hype.

It is for those who love the classic 1960s-1970s 911 body style.

A full restoration on a 60s-70s 911 would run approx 100k plus parts and donor.
The restored concours car is nice, but still operates as an antique.

For those who are not looking for an antique concours car the Singer gives them the best of everything in a custom build but in tailored detail.
It gives them the top shelf of everything one could want on their 911 build.

I understand what he means by best chassis for the build as it is no 993 but for his application it is the better then the torsion bar cars. A 964 can be set up to be nice and maintains the headlight style of the 60s.

Edinsf

^^^^^^this says it all.....

ehanauer

The hype surrounding Singer keeps the air cooled mystique alive and makes our 993s more valuable.

IXLR8

Mike, that is what it is all about, "hype" and that is how marketers start a feeding frenzy for products.

Nice, but for that kind of money, I can get a fine collectable.

nine9six

What Alex said...And if you're a guy with the resources like Jay Leno, the money is not a factor...

Would I like to have one? Sure! But for that kind of scratch, I'm not convinced the Singer would be the front runner of choice.

ble2011

Would love to have a singer Porsche.

007DT

If money wasn't an object this would be number 1 or 2 on my list. Everything I've read and watched on these vehicles is constant. It's Perfect.

That said, money is an object but after learning more and more about these vehicles it drives me to one day have a lightweight old 911 and modernize it with the proper Porsche parts from other generations or aftermarket.

On another note I hate Jay Leno. But I have to say that was a good video and his genuine appreciation for the Singer was nice to see. But it drove me nuts watching him ride the clutch rocking the car back and forth at the traffic lights!!!

Thanks for posting...

Bill Verburg

the only reason Singer starts w/ a 964 is that is the newest chassis that can be made to look like a '73RSR, they strip the car and then go over the top w/ all custom parts, some are functional some are artistic/aesthetic, many of the performance mods are right off a 993 or 993RS

the one thing I really want from that car is the Cosworth(or equivelent) built motor, it's a gem

Mike J

Hmm - I never said I would not love to have one, but it's seems to be a poorer bang for the buck, but maybe I am wrong.

I can see $100,000 to $150,000 on a complete restoral, including many new parts, but $350,000 just for a basic car, and it goes up from there?

Hmm - what does 9M charge roughly to take a car apart and rebuild it? From the famous widebody speedster thread: https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...detail-22.html

Speedster parts (new from Porsche) = £30k
Widebody parts (new from Porsche) = £8k
Paint, materials, E-coating, misc = £10k
Labour (700hrs) = £35k
Donor car = £25-35k
Wheels, seats, etc. £5-10k
Then add 20% VAT for anyone living in Europe, hence turnkey estimate £125k-£150k.

That would be about $250,000 USD without touching the engine at the top end. But adding that the Singer has suspension/engine work as well, perhaps the additional $100,000 is justified.

Another factor mentioned is that each Singer has 4000 hours in it. That is a LOT of time, not sure what they are doing for those hours, but if it's true, with no parts at all, that is about $87/hr. If we say there is $100,000 in parts in the car, the labour rate drops to $62/hour. I would challenge that labour number he threw out unless they are losing their shirts on each car.

Maybe that 4000 hours also includes R&D to develop new parts and production techniques?

This is all theory for me anyways, totally unattainable. Hmm, but taking that old 911 beater I saw the other day and ...

Cheers,

Mike