95 C4 needs new clutch - anything else I should be considering?
05-12-2011, 06:10 AM
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95 C4 needs new clutch - anything else I should be considering?
Just snuck 5 mins from the new wife (yes on honeymoon) to catch up on emails and (of course) a bit of reenlist!!
I am a relative newcomer to Porsche, having purchased my first a C4 around 6 months ago now
Before The wedding I noticed the high-grabbing clutch was slipping when punching it in 1st and 2nd, indicating a new clutch was in order
After chatting to the service guys they confirmed that at 160,000km it prob needs a new one
So the question now is, should i be considering anything else whilst they are in there? Upgrade to better than stock clutch? SMF? Etc?
I use the car as a daily driver but am an avid driver and plan to introduce her to the track
Any useful tips would be much appreciated
Thanks
Alex
I am a relative newcomer to Porsche, having purchased my first a C4 around 6 months ago now
Before The wedding I noticed the high-grabbing clutch was slipping when punching it in 1st and 2nd, indicating a new clutch was in order
After chatting to the service guys they confirmed that at 160,000km it prob needs a new one
So the question now is, should i be considering anything else whilst they are in there? Upgrade to better than stock clutch? SMF? Etc?
I use the car as a daily driver but am an avid driver and plan to introduce her to the track
Any useful tips would be much appreciated
Thanks
Alex
05-13-2011, 01:23 PM
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Ok, the popcorn approach.
I have had my LWF for 7 years. I will anticipate and predict you will have stalling problems if you go the LWF approach. Is it the end of the world? Absoutely not but your thoughts divert to "will it stall again, will it stall again, will it stall again" when the first stall happens. Smoke tests, ISV cleanings, thousands in upgrades, and 30 seconds after I drove off from my 60k tune, it stalled. You name it, I've tried it and I still get the occassional stall. Then the methodic opinions and theories behind how to prevent it from stalling will soon follow. I went through this and it became more of concentrating on how not to let my car stall then it did enjoying the car. My car doesnt stall that often but when it does, I want to put my fist through the windshield. When it comes time to replace the cutch, Im going back to the DMF.
Just 7 years experience, 33k miles, and a lot of hours put into the semi-dissappointment of a LWF from your average driver. I know how my car reacts and but cant predict or give a conclusion of every stall that has occured. It just happens now and then.
A poll taken a few years ago concludes that 70% of those who have upgraded to a LWF have stalling issues. My theory is its higher than 70%.
I have had my LWF for 7 years. I will anticipate and predict you will have stalling problems if you go the LWF approach. Is it the end of the world? Absoutely not but your thoughts divert to "will it stall again, will it stall again, will it stall again" when the first stall happens. Smoke tests, ISV cleanings, thousands in upgrades, and 30 seconds after I drove off from my 60k tune, it stalled. You name it, I've tried it and I still get the occassional stall. Then the methodic opinions and theories behind how to prevent it from stalling will soon follow. I went through this and it became more of concentrating on how not to let my car stall then it did enjoying the car. My car doesnt stall that often but when it does, I want to put my fist through the windshield. When it comes time to replace the cutch, Im going back to the DMF.
Just 7 years experience, 33k miles, and a lot of hours put into the semi-dissappointment of a LWF from your average driver. I know how my car reacts and but cant predict or give a conclusion of every stall that has occured. It just happens now and then.
A poll taken a few years ago concludes that 70% of those who have upgraded to a LWF have stalling issues. My theory is its higher than 70%.
05-13-2011, 01:41 PM
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Ok, the popcorn approach.
I have had my LWF for 7 years. I will anticipate and predict you will have stalling problems if you go the LWF approach. Is it the end of the world? Absoutely not but your thoughts divert to "will it stall again, will it stall again, will it stall again" when the first stall happens. Smoke tests, ISV cleanings, thousands in upgrades, and 30 seconds after I drove off from my 60k tune, it stalled. You name it, I've tried it and I still get the occassional stall. Then the methodic opinions and theories behind how to prevent it from stalling will soon follow. I went through this and it became more of concentrating on how not to let my car stall then it did enjoying the car. My car doesnt stall that often but when it does, I want to put my fist through the windshield. When it comes time to replace the cutch, Im going back to the DMF.
Just 7 years experience, 33k miles, and a lot of hours put into the semi-dissappointment of a LWF from your average driver. I know how my car reacts and but cant predict or give a conclusion of every stall that has occured. It just happens now and then.
A poll taken a few years ago concludes that 70% of those who have upgraded to a LWF have stalling issues. My theory is its higher than 70%.
I have had my LWF for 7 years. I will anticipate and predict you will have stalling problems if you go the LWF approach. Is it the end of the world? Absoutely not but your thoughts divert to "will it stall again, will it stall again, will it stall again" when the first stall happens. Smoke tests, ISV cleanings, thousands in upgrades, and 30 seconds after I drove off from my 60k tune, it stalled. You name it, I've tried it and I still get the occassional stall. Then the methodic opinions and theories behind how to prevent it from stalling will soon follow. I went through this and it became more of concentrating on how not to let my car stall then it did enjoying the car. My car doesnt stall that often but when it does, I want to put my fist through the windshield. When it comes time to replace the cutch, Im going back to the DMF.
Just 7 years experience, 33k miles, and a lot of hours put into the semi-dissappointment of a LWF from your average driver. I know how my car reacts and but cant predict or give a conclusion of every stall that has occured. It just happens now and then.
A poll taken a few years ago concludes that 70% of those who have upgraded to a LWF have stalling issues. My theory is its higher than 70%.
Let's clarify, the 70% from the poll was from 94 and 95 year 993s.... I have never stalled my 96 993 with a LWF.
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05-13-2011, 01:49 PM
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Only 1995 cars have a stalling issue, and not all do.
I still would recommend an RS clutch/LWF combo. Lighter and more durable than the stock unit, not to mention reduced mass and quicker spool up on acceleration.
I still would recommend an RS clutch/LWF combo. Lighter and more durable than the stock unit, not to mention reduced mass and quicker spool up on acceleration.
05-13-2011, 05:31 PM
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Here is the poll from a few years ago
https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...-stalling.html
The ECU upgrade did not stop the stalling is correct. I did the LWF and ECU at the same time.
Yes, I like the performance of the LWF has it doesnt rank at the top of my upgrade items because of the now and then stalling. Its a well documented and known issue and there is no 100% cure that I have found. After about 7 trips to the shop, 3 chips, and every little tweek and smoke test, I just have learned to deal with it.
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05-13-2011, 05:44 PM
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Original Poster,
Run a search here in RL-land on the 993 board for these terms:
LWF
LWFW
LWF stalling
while i'm in there (i'm serious here...you're not the first to ask this question)
There's a treasure trove of info.
Run a search here in RL-land on the 993 board for these terms:
LWF
LWFW
LWF stalling
while i'm in there (i'm serious here...you're not the first to ask this question)
There's a treasure trove of info.
05-13-2011, 07:02 PM
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Correct 94/95 993's is correct about the stalling. I may have read that other years stalled but I could be wrong.
Here is the poll from a few years ago
https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...-stalling.html
The ECU upgrade did not stop the stalling is correct. I did the LWF and ECU at the same time.
Yes, I like the performance of the LWF has it doesnt rank at the top of my upgrade items because of the now and then stalling. Its a well documented and known issue and there is no 100% cure that I have found. After about 7 trips to the shop, 3 chips, and every little tweek and smoke test, I just have learned to deal with it.
Here is the poll from a few years ago
https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...-stalling.html
The ECU upgrade did not stop the stalling is correct. I did the LWF and ECU at the same time.
Yes, I like the performance of the LWF has it doesnt rank at the top of my upgrade items because of the now and then stalling. Its a well documented and known issue and there is no 100% cure that I have found. After about 7 trips to the shop, 3 chips, and every little tweek and smoke test, I just have learned to deal with it.
I have this chip and it's probably the best mod that I have.
05-13-2011, 07:05 PM
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NO stalling for me, but then again I have a 96!! (finally, the counter argument for the always-present-gee-I-have-no-SAI-issues-because-I-have-a-95-argument.....yes you do but you just do not get notified... LOL!)
Cheers,
Mike
Cheers,
Mike
05-14-2011, 02:08 AM
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