Buying a 993, need advice
01-11-2023, 11:11 AM
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My bet it this car was either flooded or found it's way into the ocean briefly- was then disassembled and some PO took their sweet time trying to put it back together- (poorly) without reporting the damage. There appears to be rust in the footwells- there should be NONE of that and the color should be * or usually is* a faded version of the body color- maybe to white primer - that's it. bent tubing also a sign that they took the car apart and didn't get it back together correctly- same with sunroof seals.
This would be a HARD PASS for me.
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01-11-2023, 11:38 AM
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Spend some time looking at the photos on Bring a Trailer for Porsche 993. Look at the exterior, interior, the front trunk, engine and underside to get an idea on how they are supposed to look.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...ra-s-coupe-24/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...-cabriolet-68/
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https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...ra-s-coupe-24/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...-cabriolet-68/
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sebcbien (01-11-2023)
01-11-2023, 11:44 AM
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Yikes! Agree with all comments about this looking super rough and nasty. Ugh. Would be a scary purchase. Color is subjective, and I'm not a fan of red interiors. Interesting that euro 993 prices are higher than USA. Supply vs demand?
01-11-2023, 12:22 PM
#34
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Don't know what the exact reason is. For us Europeans there's not really a case for 'getting cheap Porsches from the US', however. The costs for modifying a US car to European specs or taste (removing bumperettes, replacing speedometer, adapting lights) plus the costs for transport outrun a possible price advantage. What we can see however, is a stream of 993s being reimported to Europe from Japan. These cars don't need to be modified as they have the same lighting, bumpers and a speedometer in kilometres. Generally these Japanese cars have low mileages and were maintained meticulously, what makes them attractive. My car started its life in Japan as well and was reimported to Germany in 2018.
Last edited by Peter65; 01-11-2023 at 01:32 PM.
01-11-2023, 02:07 PM
#36
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Lets see, RUN AWAY!
01-11-2023, 02:55 PM
#37
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Good decision to stay FAR away from that terrible example.
I would recommend to look at a number of cars at lower mileage, simular milage and a little higher mileage to get a feel for the 993.
I'm in Germany and did much research on 993 prices in Europe and USA.
Actually the prices seem to be a little higher in the US for low mileage 993 and about the same for higher mileage cars.
The example that you've shown is terrible and probably well paid around 40 K, just my option.
Good luck anyway.
I would recommend to look at a number of cars at lower mileage, simular milage and a little higher mileage to get a feel for the 993.
I'm in Germany and did much research on 993 prices in Europe and USA.
Actually the prices seem to be a little higher in the US for low mileage 993 and about the same for higher mileage cars.
The example that you've shown is terrible and probably well paid around 40 K, just my option.
Good luck anyway.
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sebcbien (01-11-2023)
01-11-2023, 02:59 PM
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Don't know what the exact reason is. For us Europeans there's not really a case for 'getting cheap Porsches from the US', however. The costs for modifying a US car to European specs or taste (removing bumperettes, replacing speedometer, adapting lights) plus the costs for transport outrun a possible price advantage. What we can see however, is a stream of 993s being reimported to Europe from Japan. These cars don't need to be modified as they have the same lighting, bumpers and a speedometer in kilometres. Generally these Japanese cars have low mileages and were maintained meticulously, what makes them attractive. My car started its life in Japan as well and was reimported to Germany in 2018.
Btw., headlights ARE different in Japan and need to be changed for German, it had the consersion done for EURO 600.
Last edited by My993_4s_Dave; 01-11-2023 at 03:02 PM.
01-11-2023, 05:14 PM
#40
That's a ridiculous amount of money for a car in this condition, even in Europe. All alarms going off with me. Why take such a huge risk while there are really much better cars on the market for similar prices? I recently bought mine and prior to that I followed the market really closely in The Netherlands, Belgium and Germany (I still do, by the way).
Prices are steep in Europe, that's true, but dive into the market, do your research and good cars can be still found at acceptable prices. For instance, take a look at this one, just to compare:
https://stock.petrolcave.be/nlbe/voe...000km-nqcwtrzp
This car is located in Belgium as well and I considered it quite seriously a few months ago. Went to see it 2 times, even took it for a test drive, but we couldn't agree on the price and I ended up buying a Speed Gelb 993 with only 66.000 km's on the clock in Germany. But this one's a neat car and it drives really well. Varioram, handshifter, well looked after, low mileage, nice interior options. The only thing you can comment on is that the left front wheel is incorrect (wrong et, it was probably replaced after hitting a pothole or something like that), but most people wouldn't even notice. Asking price is € 79k, but the seller will move down to probably € 75 or 76k (which is around $ 81k).
Prices are steep in Europe, that's true, but dive into the market, do your research and good cars can be still found at acceptable prices. For instance, take a look at this one, just to compare:
https://stock.petrolcave.be/nlbe/voe...000km-nqcwtrzp
This car is located in Belgium as well and I considered it quite seriously a few months ago. Went to see it 2 times, even took it for a test drive, but we couldn't agree on the price and I ended up buying a Speed Gelb 993 with only 66.000 km's on the clock in Germany. But this one's a neat car and it drives really well. Varioram, handshifter, well looked after, low mileage, nice interior options. The only thing you can comment on is that the left front wheel is incorrect (wrong et, it was probably replaced after hitting a pothole or something like that), but most people wouldn't even notice. Asking price is € 79k, but the seller will move down to probably € 75 or 76k (which is around $ 81k).
Elferspot and similar have what are likely to be far better examples in Belgium/The Netherlands/Germany for the same price range: https://www.elferspot.com/en/search/...untry%5B%5D=NL
If some of you know other "hidden" websites like this one feel free to share ;-)
01-11-2023, 11:07 PM
#42
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01-12-2023, 01:46 AM
#43
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Let us all know your next find 
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sebcbien (01-12-2023)
01-12-2023, 02:31 AM
#44
that's a VERY ROUGH looking car for such low miles...caveat emptor, that thing has stories.
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sebcbien (01-12-2023)
01-12-2023, 11:02 AM
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Hi Seb,
If you find an example without the profound problems of the car in your posting here is my page with information to consider when buying a 993:
https://993servicerepair.blogspot.co...-purchase.html
Andy
If you find an example without the profound problems of the car in your posting here is my page with information to consider when buying a 993:
https://993servicerepair.blogspot.co...-purchase.html
Andy