Britzky9

In all seriousness, as it relates to "value", in which I see that as "collectability", this comment by a bidder that did not win, hit me hard:

"C2Ss are so much more valuable than C4Ss. I’d personally pay an extra $50k not to have a 4 wheel drive 911 and almost just did so."

I'm not certain the bidder is accurate in "$50k more..." but his point is very much taken.

As an enthusiast, that enjoys driving what I own (and would prefer to do so without watching the odometer) I subscribe to the "buy the best you can afford" -"best" being a personal preference...

rk-d

$200k is big money for an older car. People stop driving classic cars that cost that much. You get a whole different type of owner at that point. Trophy collectors.

Ownership is also going to get harder and more expensive as the years go by. Finding people who know what they're doing, in terms of repair and maintenance, is not easy. The cost of those services will continue to go up.

stevensivak

The yellow car is not even a fair comparison..... car has 1,126 miles on it....
but if that hits 175k I would not be surprised...

rsabeebe

50 grand premium for a 2S? NO WAY!!

that comment tells me much more about the individual saying it than it does about the car.

this argument is relatively pointless, as both versions are equally appreciated, but that comment is NUTS!

rsabeebe

i believe the yellow car will hit $215-225k. when are you going to find another 1100 mile WB come available to the public?

i'm amazed this didn't trade hands privately - as it certainly could have.

stevensivak

If the guy wants to pay 50k more for a 2S, then by all means....
Who are we to say what is nuts?

L39E

I think that estimate is pretty low given the miles. I would think mid 200s or higher is certainly possible if the car checks out. I do wonder a few things about the car given the super low mileage. It has a 993RS shift ****, and what happened to the decklid badge? Also it appears lowered even though there is no mention in the auction copy and the records just show “R/R strut”. Perhaps they used the Porsche Classic suspension to keep it factory parts.. which would be nice but should be in the listing.

Gbos1

appears “lowered” because it’s probably running the original Shocks!

rk-d

Market value or enjoyment value?

A Vesuvio 2S could be $50k over a 4S, I bet. Definitely >$20k.

Driving wise, I don't think it's $50k better, but that's all relative. $50k for me is $10k for someone else.

AWD vs RWD is a subtle difference IMO. It gets blown up way out of proportion.

XUR

Subtle maybe only purely from a driving feel perspective, but definitely not from an ownership one. Having an AWD car and knowing there are C2S cars out there is a constant that will never change. And if you have any slight bias to RWD in the first place, that will be something you'll have to "settle" with.

Buying and compromising on a color combo or AWD vs RWD are the things that ultimately make people unhappy with their ownerships. Hence why when the bidder said he'd pay $50k over, that's what he values for the piece of mind of getting a car that is what you want, all around, no settling. He was also the second-runner in the auction, so his comment certainly has some weight as he wasn't some random throwing out 2c.

rk-d

That’s all FOMO. It’s his money, he can think what he wants, but I don’t think it’s relevant to market value.

TheDangerZone

I am very happy with my C4S and plan to keep it forever, thank you very much. Please don’t presume I settled for it. Knowing there are C2S cars out there bothers me not one bit and does not take anything away from my ownership experience. Maybe it would take away from yours but that says more about you than the car.

sportscarfreak

For that or a little less money you can have my concours winning WB Vesuvio with many interesting options.
Black leather interior with hardback seats, 3 spoke steeringwheel, motorsound, sunroof, sports chassis,6 speed,
limited slip differential, original radio, cellphone,complete toolkit,presskit, brochures, service manual etc.
Original wheels, in NOS condition, are with the Vesuvio in the right colour combination. For sale because I have more Porsches to drive...
Published in many Porsche magazines and Porsche books. Just had a service for about $7000,-

sportscarfreak

Here are some pictures of my Vesuvio.

Das14444

On the C4s vs C2s conversation - It does seem the C2s typically brings a premium (lower production and wide body rear wheel drive) but I definitely do NOT think owners of C4s cars ‘settled’ in any way. Both are amazing cars.

I have a 30k mile C2S (black/black w. factory aero kit and hollow spokes) in concours condition and have considered selling in this market. Problem is I just could not replace it. So Im holding on. This one is a keeper.

I also have a thesis that some (not all but some) of these 993s listed on PCARMARKET and other sites during the pandemic are BAD cars. Not that they aren’t worth owning, but they are cars that 2 or 3 years ago rennlisters would pass over due to paint work or questionable mileage (odometer disconnected)

With somewhat limited supply in this market sellers are putting these previously undesirable cars on the market and getting top dollar. When I look closely I can see the marring and glue around the odometers and of course carfax shows 20k miles in 2003 and 21k miles in 2021 with no record in between. That reads as a disconnected odometer to me. Not a car I want to touch… Other sellers state “all original paint” but when metered the seller is “shocked” to find the entire left side was resprayed and has body filler.
Nothing wrong with some paint work, but the non disclosure would cause me to walk every time.

If you have a good clean honest example I say hold. They will only continue to appreciate and in 10 - 15 years when the base price for a new 911 is approaching $200k a perfect 993 may feel like a bargain at over $200k ?