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Here's a recent article from EVO with no mention of the 48v. I am a little skeptical of the 48v rumors, as that's really only good for auto start stop, which almost none of us want or use (I click over to Sport mode the second I start the car). I think the 48v is a ruse, and the real T-HEV is going to be much more impressive. What I am not so enthused about is the questionable design decisions on the exhaust tip surround, tail lights (with goofy light up Porsche logo), rear decklid is meh, front bumper is very meh and over-stylized, and wheel selection has been very questionable. Overall, the design elements changed from 992.1 seem a bit overwrought and forced, I wonder if the design team has changed leadership since the .1 was created? Does not seem like the same team to me...
The best feature of the 48v motor in Volvos is the seamless transition between start/stop.
I had a Honda Civic Hybrid that was like that . . . . 15 years ago A completely seamless, silent and instantaneous transition from ICE engine off to ICE engine running. Using a starter motor as most cars (our Porsche's included) is so lame, compared to what others have done.
Last edited by Bluehighways; 03-15-2024 at 09:06 PM.
48V optimizes wiring, allows a small battery to continue uninterrupted accessory operation in engine stop conditions, smooths out the starter operation in start conditions, takes some load off of the engine by powering accessories, and has mild regen braking.
All of this is to take load off of the combustion engine. Any additional power from a 48V is very minimal and unnoticeable - around 10hp typically only applicable when taking off from a stop, so it does not add to total peak horsepower. Porsche has used this in SUV's for the past 6 years... and about 10% of vehicles being made now have this. 48V systems purely an efficiency play more than anything.
I prefer 991.1 to 991.2 and 991.2 to 992.1 and 992.1 to 992.2.
I would love a 991.2 engine in a 991.1 body and I really dont like 992 in general but 992.1 is acceptable vs 992.2 is really “lost”.
There is hope, maybe there will be a sport design package that eliminates the front louvers? If you look at the refreshed 2024 Cayennes, you find black plastic on the lower 25% of the rear. The SDP changes the look.
48V optimizes wiring, allows a small battery to continue uninterrupted accessory operation in engine stop conditions, smooths out the starter operation in start conditions, takes some load off of the engine by powering accessories, and has mild regen braking.
All of this is to take load off of the combustion engine. Any additional power from a 48V is very minimal and unnoticeable - around 10hp typically only applicable when taking off from a stop, so it does not add to total peak horsepower. Porsche has used this in SUV's for the past 6 years... and about 10% of vehicles being made now have this. 48V systems purely an efficiency play more than anything.
What do you think it does?
All true, but the customer doesn't "see" any of that. As with the Volvo comment above, the only thing the customer sees on these 48V cars is seamless engine start/stop - and on the 911, my bet is that 90% of owners turn that off anyway by going into Sports mode.
That's why I say, given what we know now (if accurate) - if I were buying the 992.2 otherwise, just give me the real hybrid and I'll take my chances as a beta tester.
48V optimizes wiring, allows a small battery to continue uninterrupted accessory operation in engine stop conditions, smooths out the starter operation in start conditions, takes some load off of the engine by powering accessories, and has mild regen braking.
All of this is to take load off of the combustion engine. Any additional power from a 48V is very minimal and unnoticeable - around 10hp typically only applicable when taking off from a stop, so it does not add to total peak horsepower. Porsche has used this in SUV's for the past 6 years... and about 10% of vehicles being made now have this. 48V systems purely an efficiency play more than anything.
What do you think it does?
Any horsepower increase is indeed negligible, and of course a ‘mild hybrid’ motor/generator is inactive at peak power. What it contributes is immediate torque off the line, eliminating turbo lag, and allowing for one bigger turbo…which does increase peak power…rather than two smaller ones typically used for minimizing lag.
Any horsepower increase is indeed negligible, and of course a ‘mild hybrid’ motor/generator is inactive at peak power. What it contributes is immediate torque off the line, eliminating turbo lag, and allowing for one bigger turbo…which does increase peak power…rather than two smaller ones typically used for minimizing lag.
Torque fill, the best application of an EV power train element.
I can’t see them giving the halo model the worst front end in the lineup. It can’t be that.
We know the standard bumpers on the 992.1 have automatic louvers (slats) for aerodynamic purposes.
The standard bumper is probably used for EPA measurements, so it needs to be as aerodynamic as possible.
In the 992.1, the optional Sport Design bumper can be purchased, which does away with the horizontal automatic louvers.
The top tier 992.1 "halo" 911s (GTS models, GT/GT3 models, Dakar) do not have automatic louvers.
Based on this, the "regular" 992.2 models (Base, T, and S) will all have automatic vertical louvers.
An optional Sport Design bumper will be offed that will have open air inlets.
Also, "halo" cars (GTS, GT/GT3, Dakar, that are offered) will all have open air inlets.
I believe the recent spy shots of the front bumper with the fixed horizontal slats is the 992.2 sport design bumper.
(Be careful not to be confused by spy shots showing horizontal slats with vertical slats behind them; the horizontal slats in those spy shots are just camouflage in front of the actual movable vertical stats of the standard bumper).
There is hope, maybe there will be a sport design package that eliminates the front louvers? If you look at the refreshed 2024 Cayennes, you find black plastic on the lower 25% of the rear. The SDP changes the look.
The problem is that the front bumper in the picture IS the new Sport Design version.
If you imagine away the louvres/flaps, the bumper doesn't actually look too different from the current SD bumper. The big openings on both sides are somewhat the same shape, only real difference being that the new SD version as a whole is more angular (whereas the old one is more round according to the entire classic design language of the 911) and instead of the diagonal beam or bar like design elements on both sides of the center of the bumper, which in the old one are in the color of the exterior paint, you have now black plastic with some questionable design and additional holes/air channels in those elements.
Too lazy to post any pictures but one should be able to see this quite clearly from the pics of the old and new SD bumper next to each other. Beats me why Porsche now has decided to put the louvres/flaps also in the SD bumper. (Perhaps Porsche is still pulling our leg in these pre-launch pics...or then not.) In any case, I believe the horizontal flaps in the other new, indeed regular bumper design are functional in the similar fashion as to the current ones.
And btw, fully agree to the comments above stating that the new headlight design seems a bit blaah.. It used to be that 911 always had the most beautiful headlights, especially in the most upgraded form (PDLS+/Matrix etc...) and regardless of the model series. Now it seems like they're trying to force the same rough headline design into all of their models (Taycan, Panamera, Macan, Cayenne, 718) with no real differentiation.. It's such a pity!
Last edited by TheGreatJ; 03-17-2024 at 08:27 PM.
Reason: Added comment regarding the lights.
03-15-2024, 07:02 PM
