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We had this discussion before - the conclusion was that the plug replace was not based on mileage (a plug lasts far longer than that), but based on time threaded into the cylinder head and risk of seizing it. Many people, in 3 years, put far less than 30K miles on a car like this, but still change the plugs at 3 years.
We had this discussion before - the conclusion was that the plug replace was not based on mileage (a plug lasts far longer than that), but based on time threaded into the cylinder head and risk of seizing it. Many people, in 3 years, put far less than 30K miles on a car like this, but still change the plugs at 3 years.
nyca, I understand that some owners decide to replace plugs at 3 years.... That is irrelevant.
The question is: "Will a PSMP do it at +2 regardless of mileage or do they only do it at +3"
Problem your going to run into with PSMP is it will not transfer if you sell, or the car gets totaled. I had a 2020 GT4 that I purchased the PSMP for at delivery. Car got totaled 13 months later, and most of the PMP wasn't returned. All that prepaid maintenance was left in someone else pocket, for returning zero services.
Be careful.
From Porsche at https://www.porsche.com/usa/accessor...tenance/psmp/:
"The PSMP coverage remains with the vehicle, so even if you trade or sell your Porsche vehicle before the plan expiration, coverage continues for the remainder of the term selected."
@joydrive Maybe that was the technicality, in a write-off case, no more vehicle, nothing to transfer. I just know I was out the money paid since the car got written off by insurance.
I thought I read somewhere that the pre-paid plan was a ~15% discount.
The prepaid plan is NOT a discount. It's not a better deal than paying for the services yourself. It's simply a way to bake service/maintenance into your financing at time of purchase. Dealers are using it as backdoor ADM. And yes, they will hype up the maintenance costs at time of purchase to get you to buy a plan. In reality, for someone throwing down money for a six figure car, these costs are inconsequential.
Here are my actual dealer service costs for my 992C4S, not including replacement tires. This was the actual final cost to me with taxes, disposal fees, etc,.
10k mile service -> $0
20k mile service -> $1159.69
30k mile service -> $1585.16 (spark plug service)
The prepaid plan is NOT a discount. It's not a better deal than paying for the services yourself. It's simply a way to bake service/maintenance into your financing at time of purchase. Dealers are using it as backdoor ADM. And yes, they will hype up the maintenance costs at time of purchase to get you to buy a plan. In reality, for someone throwing down money for a six figure car, these costs are inconsequential.
Here are my actual dealer service costs for my 992C4S, not including replacement tires. This was the actual final cost to me with taxes, disposal fees, etc,.
10k mile service -> $0
20k mile service -> $1159.69
30k mile service -> $1585.16 (spark plug service)
You say this but according to the PSMP pricing, you would be wrong IF spark plugs are included in the +2 Service which no one here seems to be able to definitively confirm.
+2 (if it includes Spark Plugs) is only $2445 to your $2775....perhaps there are some additional disposal fees/taxes, but i have a feeling that +2 does not necessarily include the plugs....
If only someone like @doug_999 could look at the T&Cs to confirm
Originally Posted by itrocksu
If I'm purchasing my vehicle from dealer A, can I purchase PSMP from dealer B? Anyone know actual porsche details that i can send to dealer B?
Yes, I'm planning to purchase from a different dealer. They will just need to look up your VIN and ensure that you are still within 2 years of your official in-service date.
I didn’t get the PSMP. I just had my 2 years service, with much less than 20k on the ODO. The damage for me was $1,617.75, out of pocket. Wife wasn’t pleased.
At 3 years it will just be an oil change, so much cheaper. But the 4th year will be the big one where they change the spark plugs, and that one will be expensive. I was told they will need the car for two days. Heard they have to remove the turbo to change a few of the plugs. For the Turbo model I was told they have to drop the engine. No thanks.
Oh, well, as my Porsche buddy always says, “ya gotta pay, to play”.
That said, and assuming i keep the Porsche (I plan to), once out of warranty, I don’t think I will be doing these expensive services every year. I don’t drive the car enough, nor hard enough, to justify.
Last edited by CodyBigdog; 04-12-2023 at 10:50 AM.
You say this but according to the PSMP pricing, you would be wrong IF spark plugs are included in the +2 Service which no one here seems to be able to definitively confirm.
+2 (if it includes Spark Plugs) is only $2445 to your $2775....perhaps there are some additional disposal fees/taxes, but i have a feeling that +2 does not necessarily include the plugs....
If only someone like @doug_999 could look at the T&Cs to confirm
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I purchased the +2 plan for the listed price above on my GTS ($2445).
I contacted my dealer to see how much the 30k service costs and what it includes. They are currently charging $2000 and it does list spark plugs.
I was considering on upgrading to the +3 plan which would bring me to the 40k service... but, the price jump in PSMP from +2 to +3 is $1900. My dealer charges $1750 for the 40k service... but they also quoted me an additional $300 for break fluid and flush since that's due every 2 years... not sure if that would then be included with the PSMP.. but either way it's too close to really seem like a good idea to tie up $1900 for 4 years.
Porsche states to replace spark plugs every 4 years, or every 40,000 miles (60,000 kms).
If you read the manual (ie. the screenshot I posted above), they actually say 4 years or 30K Miles - which is why I'm looking for actual PSMP documentation that clearly outlines what you receive for PSMP +2
I purchased the +2 plan for the listed price above on my GTS ($2445).
I contacted my dealer to see how much the 30k service costs and what it includes. They are currently charging $2000 and it does list spark plugs.
I was considering on upgrading to the +3 plan which would bring me to the 40k service... but, the price jump in PSMP from +2 to +3 is $1900. My dealer charges $1750 for the 40k service... but they also quoted me an additional $300 for break fluid and flush since that's due every 2 years... not sure if that would then be included with the PSMP.. but either way it's too close to really seem like a good idea to tie up $1900 for 4 years.
@1957Goldtop Can you please take a pic of the specific PSMP +2 documentation that you have?
My dealer's service department says they do change the plugs at 30K as well.... but when I hit 3 years, I will only be at around 12K miles.
Does PSMP +2 guarantee that they will change the plugs regardless of mileage? Or will you have to have at least 30K miles for that to be covered... or is it not covered at all and you will have to wait for the 4th year service (and will have to have purchased +3)
I'm getting mixed messages from the finance guy and the service dept.- so apologies for the incessant ask on this
From Porsche at https://www.porsche.com/usa/accessor...tenance/psmp/:
"The PSMP coverage remains with the vehicle, so even if you trade or sell your Porsche vehicle before the plan expiration, coverage continues for the remainder of the term selected."
If I was buying a used car, this would add value.
As a buyer, I agree with you, but that doesn’t mean the seller is going to get his PSMP $ back when he sells. Take PPF for example. Definitely adds value to the buyer, but typically a sunk cost for the seller.
I just had the 3 year service completed on my C2 and the spark plugs were not changed due to the mileage I have on the car (a little over 11k). I would not expect purschaing the PSMP +2 to include spark plugs unless the mileage limit (or close to it) has been met.
04-10-2023, 01:13 PM
