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For those who want to modify their cars, I personally recommend they do it after initial break-in and you've driven it maybe another thousand miles or so to make sure there are no issues that crop up with a completely stock car. The logic of waiting until the warranty expires to do a mod like an ECU tune never made sense to me. Many people think they'd prefer to wait until the warranty expires to tune their car so that their warranty won't get voided... and while that's one way of looking at it, if you just take a few more logical steps, it doesn't make sense.
Let's say you tune the car at 3K miles and your engine blows up and the dealer voids the warranty. What will you do? You'd bite the bullet and rebuild the engine. Now let's say you wait until the warranty expires and you tune the car and your engine blows up. What will you do? You'd bite the bullet and rebuild the engine. So, either way - tune while in warranty or tune when out of warranty = exact same economic consequence.
So why should you tune while the car is relatively new? Because the car is in the best shape of it's life. None of the components are worn out. Your charge pipes are in good shape. Your intercooler is not leaking. Your air filters are relatively clean. Your fuel injectors are in tip top shape. Your spark plugs are fresh. Your tires are still new and the rubber is not years old. Your suspension components are in excellent shape. Your clutch has minimal wear. Ideally, you want to add power to your car when your car is running its best, not after 40K miles when warranty has expired.
Plus, you get maximum return for your tune. You are enjoying the tune on your car for almost the whole time you own it vs. waiting till warranty runs out then you are missing several years of fun w/ the tune. This goes for any other mod too - apperance, suspension, rims/tires... get it early so you enjoy it as much and long as possible.
Let's say you tune the car at 3K miles and your engine blows up and the dealer voids the warranty. What will you do? You'd bite the bullet and rebuild the engine. Now let's say you wait until the warranty expires and you tune the car and your engine blows up. What will you do? You'd bite the bullet and rebuild the engine. So, either way - tune while in warranty or tune when out of warranty = exact same economic consequence.
So why should you tune while the car is relatively new? Because the car is in the best shape of it's life. None of the components are worn out. Your charge pipes are in good shape. Your intercooler is not leaking. Your air filters are relatively clean. Your fuel injectors are in tip top shape. Your spark plugs are fresh. Your tires are still new and the rubber is not years old. Your suspension components are in excellent shape. Your clutch has minimal wear. Ideally, you want to add power to your car when your car is running its best, not after 40K miles when warranty has expired.
Plus, you get maximum return for your tune. You are enjoying the tune on your car for almost the whole time you own it vs. waiting till warranty runs out then you are missing several years of fun w/ the tune. This goes for any other mod too - apperance, suspension, rims/tires... get it early so you enjoy it as much and long as possible.
This 100% - I tell everyone this as well. I agree with literally every word and I can't understand the counter argument except the one which goes like this: "I don't have the money to replace the engine if it dies, and I don't plan on keeping it past warranty." This sounds like a lease vehicle ownership and I'd agree that you not risk beyond your wallet. Absent this, there is absolutely no benefit to waiting till warranty expiration to mod it for every reason above.
Also agree -- very important. Drive the car 5k miles, get its oil changed, change the spark plugs, give it a chance for factory issues that may have been there from the start to crop up and get those fixed with the warranty. If it didn't break in this period, you've got about as much assurance as anything in car ownership. Now, when you look for a tune, you'll likely find several options. First -- stay away from the one promising demonstrably higher power than the rest. Chances are that good tuners see things like knock and heat issues and it all happens pretty predictably. Good tuners know to back off these limits which means going a little slower. Bad tuners claim their tune is faster by not backing off.
Change your oil more frequently. 5k miles, not 10k miles. When you do, send some to blackstone labs for oil analysis. They'll give you results of deposits in the oil which can indicate all kinds of wear and will compare your results to car and national averages. Its the best way to spot something and give you reassurance that everything is running well. It doesn't cost much.
One last thing -- reliable tuning gets unreliable when you start upgrading parts and altering the system. The further you move from a stock setup the more untested variables enter the system. This can be increased turbo lag from bigger turbos not breathing well through stock intakes or restrictive exhaust manifolds etc. Or a torque curve that can throw the car out of balance on a curve, or cook the brake rotors from higher entry speeds. The good thing about Porsches is that they're engineered for hard use, so they're made with that in mind. But there are limits here and if you are a total hooner that does launch control at every stop light, that's probably beyond the longevity expectations they even planned for. Luckily most people will never get here, even tuned, but it goes for saying.
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AlterZgo (12-07-2023)
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What is the top speed of a 992 C4S with a stage 1 ME 93 octane tune? Has there been testing at top speed with this tune on the Autobahn? It must push the engine hard but not for long on a short run...
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You could calculate the theoretical max increase based on stock top speed, % increase in power at rpm where current max speed is hit from the torque/hp curves provided by M engineering and apply the formula that drag is proportional to velocity squared. This will only give you a max theoretical because it won't account for extra friction in other parts of the drivetrain, plus the fact that you'll hit the new top speed at a different rpm (perhaps even in a different gear) but you could swag the max and then reduce the increase by ~30% or so and I bet you'd be close.
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^ I'm not a top speed guy but can confirm a report from a client who hit 200MPH on a particular stretch of road that will go unnamed!
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We have taken them well above the 200mph mark on the dyno. On the street? Not a chance. We welcome any pro driver to give it a go if they want to
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This is what 323 km/h (200.7 mph) indicated looks like in a stock C2S. Max speed run begins at 4:23.
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