ctdubl07

Oh, i cant wait for the 992.2 vs the .1's with the defense led by the 200+ poster forum members.
They've already fired their first shot with the anti digital tach rhetoric.
I for one am looking forward to Nicks video on the topic.....

jlegelis

I view this forum as entertainment - long ago stopped looking for objective (or even subjective) facts.

22992

Ya, but those pool ladder side skirts tho…think I could get those on my S or too poser?

737gdog

This! And I have never done facebook. Do you……

Jrs146

It’s Venice. Here’s the full version.

GTTROIS

…to put the aero kit, or not put the aero kit on your GTS, THAT is the question!!

Joking aside, Nick Murray seems to be a very fine man and I sure hope to have the chance to meet him in person at some point.

porsche1234

Nick Murray is famous for saying the S is the greatest thing since sliced bread and every other model (which is out of his price range) is either not worth it, not better enough than an S or too much money. It’s a broken record at this point. He’s an S fan boy because it fits his price bracket. There’s nothing wrong with that, but the issue is that he says his opinion without acknowledging that his main argument is price. When comparing which two cars are better, you can’t really factor in price because, well, price has nothing to do with what the car actually does/is.

I don’t even watch his videos anymore because he doesn’t even drive his cars at 10/10 and he cares about things that I don’t care about. The S is great as with every 992 model, but no sane person is taking a S over a GTS or turbo if money is not an issue

Nein Eleven

Well, if you’re just gonna lay bait out like that I will gladly take it …

Can it really be considered rhetoric if there’s so much evidence proving it to be factual? Digital instrument clusters from Ferrari, BMW, Mercedes, Corvette, etc. look like they’re copied from a PS3 video game with their anthropomorphic shading, inelegant fonts, poor layout, and primary school color palettes. The digital speedometer is the cheapest looking thing* in the whole 992 cabin, why would you want your tach to look like that? Car interiors ultimately become less special as screens replace physical elements.

* not counting the sunshade warning labels and passenger airbag light

rk-d

I think you have to take the Turbo out of the conversation when comparing these cars on the basis of price. Those cars drive very differently and have very different market prices/availability.

IMO, the GTS vs S question comes down to a couple of things.

-Availability. Not many people have equal opportunity to own either car. You can get an S or a GTS, but most people really don't get to pick. So you have a debate with people who didn't have a choice in which car they got. For some people, there's going to be rationalization going on with that.

-Value. Practically speaking, anyone who can't afford a GTS, cannot afford an S. The delta in price is far too close, you're talking about maybe a 5-10% difference in price? If you're cutting it that close to not being to afford a GTS, then you can't afford an S. I think the issue for some people is value. I agree with you - objectively speaking the GTS is superior to the S. There is no real reason to pick an S over a GTS, with all things being equal. Yeah the GTS is "stiffer" and "louder" but I seriously doubt it's meaningfully different.

But the cars don't cost the same and some people balk at paying more for what is an incremental difference that they may not appreciate. Personally, the FOMO would drive me nuts, but I suspect some people feel that there is a law of diminishing returns and they'd prefer to spend that money elsewhere.

If it was me and I had a choice - I'd go GTS. From a purely financial aspect, the GTS has better resale which offsets some of the initial price delta and I always try to go for the best model option I can afford, even if the difference is subtle. But I also suspect the differences are overblown and a lot of it is media hype.

jjaisli

I think this makes a lot of sense. I originally put a deposit on a GT4 in Dec of 2019. My goal was European Delivery. In the late spring of 2020, the dealer told me they should be able to get me a GT4 by the fall but European Delivery looked doubtful due to Covid restrictions. And I had decided in the meantime to keep my 981 Cayman S and figured I could push everything off for a year and changed the order to a GT3. Flash ahead 1 & 1/2 years later, to the fall of 2021 and I realized, no matter how long I waited there was no way I was going to get a GT3 at MSRP. I knew from the beginning that I would likely have to pay over sticker, but $75K+ over just seemed like madness. I just wasn't going to play in that sandbox. I wasn't buying the car as an investment, I wanted to keep the GT3 long term (at LEAST 5 years, probably more) but I figured once we were passed the Covid economy and supply chain issues, people who were paying these crazy ADMs and not immediately flipping were going to get hosed. And I couldn't shake the feeling like the ADM was just flushing money down the toilet.

So I gave up and told the dealer to change my order to a Carrera S, manual, with just a few select options. But factory delivery was a must, It's something I'd had on my bucket list for a long time. That dragged on for almost 6 months and during a conversation with the dealer in April of 2022, he mentioned that most 911 allocations were just trickling in, but on the side he mentioned that they had just gotten 3 GTS allocations, unasked for. I decided right then that if they would give me one, I'd take it. And I ended up configuring the car exactly how I wanted it. And somewhat close to how I would have configured the S.

The additional power, it's nice, probably not really necessary or noticeable but you're not going to say "no". The larger brakes are a plus. I have a dedicated track car but I'll probably put the GTS on track from time to time. I think the centerlock wheels are just a PITA but I read somewhere that they are 4-lbs less than the next lightest wheel option. That kind of unsprung weight advantage is a huge plus.

So all this to say, I don't really have a dog in the S vs GTS fight. And I think it's a bit silly. I'm getting a GTS because one was available and an S wasn't. And both cars were configured similarly. I may still decide to trade it in for a 992.2 GT3. But in the interim, or long term, I probably would have been just as happy with the S. For me, value does certainly play a part. But it was less about the cost of the car, feature for feature and more about market adjustment cost and potential loss. We all have a number we can afford and a number we're willing to pay and a line we're just not willing to cross. For me, I wanted a GT3 but it was already flirting with a number I wasn't willing to cross. And the ADMs most dealers were asking just crossed that line for me. If an S had been available, I would have taken it and would not have lamented not getting a GTS. They're effectively the same car.

bluelines1974

I would choose the S because I don’t like the sport design rear, and for the heritage design interior option, among other things. As others have pointed out, it’s unlikely you can afford an S if you can’t afford a GTS. Depending on the digital dash look, and other tweaks, I may end up swapping my 992.1 T for a 992.2 S, provided PTS comes back.

I do agree that any price premium for the GTS is probably offset by lower depreciation, but either way we are talking about a very expensive discretionary purchase. Maybe a very small segment are stretching themselves to get an S and couldn’t stretch the extra few thousand for a GTS, but this seems generally very unlikely.

Fullyield

Regardless of the aesthetics of the sport design rear fascia (many do not like….which I understand), buyers should be aware that the sport design allows greater airflow over the intercoolers. Disappointing that this fact is not highlighted or discussed on the configurator or by Porsche. It is, however, discussed at the do88 website. If at a Porsche meet, carefully inspect the two rear bumpers and you will notice the aerodynamic difference.

Scott P

Fullyield

This whole argument is subjective because it is option based. I knew exactly what options I wanted and did not want. Using the configurator, the price of a 2022 992S with exact options I wanted is same price as a 2023 Carrera T (just now available) with most of my desired options but a few unavailable on the T. The price for a 2022 GTS was $10,000 more than the S with all options I wanted but GTS had some options I did not want. SO FOR ME, the 992S was the best choice. YOUR RESULTS will vary because you most likely want different options. Nick had nothing to do with my decision.

However, there are some options I declined based on technical reviews, problems and comments by members of this forum.

Pivot

The primary thing for me are the options.

The options I want are available with an S derivative, e.g. manual transmission, and with GTS I get other options baked-in that I don’t want, like lowered suspension, etc.

However, if I was in the market for GTS-level specs I would pref to take GTS, as trade-in/resale value is calculated on a base price of the derivative, before the options, so on the GTS one would lose less value.