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Old 07-21-2021, 12:16 PM
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Typical Rennlist thread on PCCBs. Lots of negative comments from the ‘experts’ who’ve never actually owned a car with them.
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Old 07-21-2021, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark S
I agree the standard brakes are pretty awesome but the PCCB sure are cool. Have you had a 911 with PCCB’s?
Haven't owned a car with them, but have driven numerous 911s and other Porsches that had PCCBs. I would never order them.
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Old 07-21-2021, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by gcurnew
Haven't owned a car with them, but have driven numerous 911s and other Porsches that had PCCBs. I would never order them.
Thanks for your perspective. Could you please let me know the reasons you would never order them?
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Originally Posted by gcurnew
Haven't owned a car with them.
Annnd there you have it.

OP, don’t ever take advice about Porsche options from anyone who hasn’t lived with them.
Old 07-21-2021, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by gcurnew
Haven't owned a car with them, but have driven numerous 911s and other Porsches that had PCCBs. I would never order them.
bottom line .. if they were free, and came standard with the car, would you be happier than if they didn't?

Because anything after that just comes down to budget priorities ... you might have spent it on seats, or a stereo upgrade, etc... right?
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Originally Posted by 992Sam
bottom line .. if they were free, and came standard with the car, would you be happier than if they didn't?

Because anything after that just comes down to budget priorities ... you might have spent it on seats, or a stereo upgrade, etc... right?
Even if they were free, I'd prefer steel brakes. I drive my 992 in extremely cold temperatures at various times (e.g.-30), and a Cayenne I drove with PCCBs didn't have the initial bite that steelies have (especially at highway speeds). I also swap my own wheels (winter to summer and back) and don't need the hassle of worrying about nicking a rotor. Also, the roads I travel have a LOT of gravel on them for 6+ months a year; three times in the past decade, I've had a rock get wedged between the rotor and the pad (once on M3, once on 911 GTS, once on a Cayman S). No big deal on steel brakes, very expensive problem with PCCBs.
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From my experience as an owner of a car with pccb’s the initial bite is much better than steel rotors. I suspect That we alll have driven vehicles hat we didn’t own a few times which had features or designs that we didn’t have and thought less of them as they were not our cars and/or didn’t spend a lot of time experiencing the feature.

Steel brakes Do not compare favorably compared to PCCBs from my point of view, which I admit is limited. I hope I don’ have any issues, but
I will be buying them in the future if offered (unless I had to travel on gravel roads much, but I could not foresee ever doing that).

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Originally Posted by Mark S
Thanks for your perspective. Could you please let me know the reasons you would never order them?
see above ^
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Originally Posted by gcurnew
see above ^
Got it. PCCB look like a bad idea in your situation.
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
Annnd there you have it.

OP, don’t ever take advice about Porsche options from anyone who hasn’t lived with them.
That's amusing.

Clearly there are situations where a person can have a valid point of view on the suitability of an option for their use case - that may be of value to folks in similar situations - without having had a car with that option.
My reasons for not wanting PCCBs on any 911 I own are succinctly stated above. You may disagree based on your use case, but they are nonetheless valid.

Do I need to have had a Burmester system to know that with my limited hearing in the higher frequencies it's a waste of money for me? No.
Do I need to have had Matrix headlights to know they are of limited value to me given that I rarely drive at night outside the city, and that even the PDLS lights I had on previous cars were a waste of money for how and where I drive? No.
Do I need to have had a CF roof to know that the weight savings are minimal and that it's mainly cosmetic, but still hold the valid opinion that it looks very cool? No.

Unless you own a 992 that literally has every option available, and you can honestly say you've never in your 11,000+ posts voiced an opinion about an option you haven't had on a car you've owned personally, you might want to rethink your assertion.

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Originally Posted by gcurnew
Even if they were free, I'd prefer steel brakes. I drive my 992 in extremely cold temperatures at various times (e.g.-30), and a Cayenne I drove with PCCBs didn't have the initial bite that steelies have (especially at highway speeds). I also swap my own wheels (winter to summer and back) and don't need the hassle of worrying about nicking a rotor. Also, the roads I travel have a LOT of gravel on them for 6+ months a year; three times in the past decade, I've had a rock get wedged between the rotor and the pad (once on M3, once on 911 GTS, once on a Cayman S). No big deal on steel brakes, very expensive problem with PCCBs.
ok.. fair enough. Clearly not a majority view, but valid nevertheless.
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I’ve found PCCB’s blind me with their shininess? Anyone else have this issue?


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Originally Posted by smiles11
I’ve found PCCB’s blind me with their shininess? Anyone else have this issue?




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Originally Posted by gcurnew
Even if they were free, I'd prefer steel brakes. I drive my 992 in extremely cold temperatures at various times (e.g.-30), and a Cayenne I drove with PCCBs didn't have the initial bite that steelies have (especially at highway speeds). I also swap my own wheels (winter to summer and back) and don't need the hassle of worrying about nicking a rotor. Also, the roads I travel have a LOT of gravel on them for 6+ months a year; three times in the past decade, I've had a rock get wedged between the rotor and the pad (once on M3, once on 911 GTS, once on a Cayman S). No big deal on steel brakes, very expensive problem with PCCBs.
Well, then you've failed basic Life 101.

I would get the free PCCBs, take them off, sell them, and buy myself a set of OEM iron brakes and pocket the extra cash.

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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Well, then you've failed basic Life 101.

I would get the free PCCBs, take them off, sell them, and buy myself a set of OEM iron brakes and pocket the extra cash.

Yes, in that imaginary world where anything from Porsche is free, much less PCCBs, it would make sense to take them and sell them. But then if they're free, everyone would have them and there would be no market for take-offs. Basic Life 102.
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