Is anyone tuning the 992 yet?
07-21-2022, 08:17 PM
#496
@mattchow probably knows more than I do but I'll give it a try... the cats and/or headers may necessitate a tune or you'll get CELs and it may not run right. You can do the slip-ons such as akropovic first without a tune and the stock tune can adjust. The cats and headers may need to be installed concurrent with the tune.
I can't speak for M-Engineering but I think they'll send you a new map without much hassle as you upgrade. So the order of things could be
I can't speak for M-Engineering but I think they'll send you a new map without much hassle as you upgrade. So the order of things could be
- Cat back exhaust
- Tune
- Enjoy
- Headers and Cats
07-21-2022, 09:10 PM
#497
Not busted but I lost any and all support from manufacturer for any problems. Threatening with Magnussen Act did nothing. It was not so much who pays for it (I would have, no issue) but they did not want to touch my car with a 10ft pole anymore. Sold the car as it was ridiculous and I got tired of it. Car was great, no issue with tune itself. Friend of mine did have a blown engine but he also added some larger PTG turbo's, not just tune. He had to rebuilt and took the opportunity to upgrade the internals to forged.
07-21-2022, 10:29 PM
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07-21-2022, 10:31 PM
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07-21-2022, 10:36 PM
#500
No, I am just realistic. If you want to take them to court it's a long process, costs more money and time than the issue is worth and by the time it's done, even if you win, the car is old and I lost valuable time I could have spent on more important things. You only live once and that's not worth the headache and lost opportunities. Just like in business - look at the ROI before you invest.
07-21-2022, 11:42 PM
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No, I am just realistic. If you want to take them to court it's a long process, costs more money and time than the issue is worth and by the time it's done, even if you win, the car is old and I lost valuable time I could have spent on more important things. You only live once and that's not worth the headache and lost opportunities. Just like in business - look at the ROI before you invest.
07-22-2022, 02:00 AM
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07-22-2022, 12:59 PM
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real world my friend, real world speaks louder ..and as stated the odds to win knowing I had it modified are close to zero too... even if the tune had nothing to do with it...they simply claim I can't entirely proof the tune did nothing (hard to proof something did not happen) that while they can proof I modified (easy to proof). So yeah, not worth my time.
07-22-2022, 03:33 PM
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real world my friend, real world speaks louder ..and as stated the odds to win knowing I had it modified are close to zero too... even if the tune had nothing to do with it...they simply claim I can't entirely proof the tune did nothing (hard to proof something did not happen) that while they can proof I modified (easy to proof). So yeah, not worth my time.
The burden is not on you (the car owner) to prove anything. According to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, a vehicle manufacturer cannot void the warranty of your vehicle due to an aftermarket part unless they can prove that the aftermarket part was the cause of or contributed to the failure of the vehicle (15 U.S.C. 2302 (C)). This means that a vehicle’s warranty cannot be “voided;” the dealer can only deny a claim if the stock part failed due to damage or unreasonable use.
That said, as people who do this for a living (i.e. car manufacturers and their hired lawyers), it's quite easy to prove that some aftermarket (i.e., non OEM part) caused some sort of unintended effect on an OEM part, as long as the connection is not so tenuous as to be laughable (i.e., aftermarket muffler caused the leather steering wheel to crack).
If you mess with the ECU or tune your car, which is basically the heart of the car, then it can literally affect everything in the drivetrain and the engine, which is about as easy to prove as water is wet. So good luck.
07-22-2022, 03:40 PM
#506
So I'm back on the thread after a few days... we are still talking warranty? lol
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07-22-2022, 03:45 PM
#507
While I agree with you that the odds of winning are long, it's not exactly how you describe.
The burden is not on you (the car owner) to prove anything. According to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, a vehicle manufacturer cannot void the warranty of your vehicle due to an aftermarket part unless they can prove that the aftermarket part was the cause of or contributed to the failure of the vehicle (15 U.S.C. 2302 (C)). This means that a vehicle’s warranty cannot be “voided;” the dealer can only deny a claim if the stock part failed due to damage or unreasonable use.
That said, as people who do this for a living (i.e. car manufacturers and their hired lawyers), it's quite easy to prove that some aftermarket (i.e., non OEM part) caused some sort of unintended effect on an OEM part, as long as the connection is not so tenuous as to be laughable (i.e., aftermarket muffler caused the leather steering wheel to crack).
If you mess with the ECU or tune your car, which is basically the heart of the car, then it can literally affect everything in the drivetrain and the engine, which is about as easy to prove as water is wet. So good luck.
The burden is not on you (the car owner) to prove anything. According to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, a vehicle manufacturer cannot void the warranty of your vehicle due to an aftermarket part unless they can prove that the aftermarket part was the cause of or contributed to the failure of the vehicle (15 U.S.C. 2302 (C)). This means that a vehicle’s warranty cannot be “voided;” the dealer can only deny a claim if the stock part failed due to damage or unreasonable use.
That said, as people who do this for a living (i.e. car manufacturers and their hired lawyers), it's quite easy to prove that some aftermarket (i.e., non OEM part) caused some sort of unintended effect on an OEM part, as long as the connection is not so tenuous as to be laughable (i.e., aftermarket muffler caused the leather steering wheel to crack).
If you mess with the ECU or tune your car, which is basically the heart of the car, then it can literally affect everything in the drivetrain and the engine, which is about as easy to prove as water is wet. So good luck.
07-22-2022, 04:06 PM
#508
This conversation happens VERY often. I’m surprised there’s not a big shot lawyer on this forum that can spare a few hours of his apple assed paralegal’s time to do some case study in this. Just give us one precedent of a tune not voiding a blown engine/trans warranty and M-Engineering would have more revenue than Apple.
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07-22-2022, 10:53 PM
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