Is anyone tuning the 992 yet?
02-04-2021, 03:19 PM
#136
phaser, I'd gently suggest that you are reading too much ill-will into other people's posts. We're all just talking cars here -- it's all good. For what it's worth, I'd say it IS 'nuts' to tune a 911 Turbo S, but it's equally nuts for Porsche to build a 640hp street car in the first place. I'm not judging anyone by saying that. Nobody "needs" that kind of power, of course, but lots of us love it anyway. I built a 500rwhp 944 Turbo, and have a 992TTS on order. I'm right there with you on power, and I'm proud to be a little "nuts" about it. Everyone, put the gloves down please. That's an official request. 
If Porsche is nuts for making a 640hp sports car what do you call Tesla for making a family sedan that will do 8s the 1/4!? When your neighborhood soccer mom in her Model S Plaid leaves your new 992 TTS for DEAD you too might be considering that tune
02-04-2021, 03:37 PM
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I've said this before, aside from putting your warranty at-risk with a tune, the other thing most people don't consider about a straight-up power tune is that Porsche designed the 911 to drive and perform as a car with all of its components (suspension, chassis, power, steering, brakes) functioning as a synergistic whole.
While tuning the car for more power, will certainly make it faster in a straight line, what happens when you want to turn? Or stop?
This is why folks like Manthey (for Porsche) or Manhart or Dinan (for BMW) have better approaches to "tuning" stock cars, because they take a more wholistic approach to upgrading the car -- from ECU to suspension to brakes and additional aero.
Tuning just for horsepower is a bit like taking a supermodel and just giving her a breast job taking her from a 36-24-36 to a 56-24-36. If that floats your boat, I suppose go for it.
While tuning the car for more power, will certainly make it faster in a straight line, what happens when you want to turn? Or stop?
This is why folks like Manthey (for Porsche) or Manhart or Dinan (for BMW) have better approaches to "tuning" stock cars, because they take a more wholistic approach to upgrading the car -- from ECU to suspension to brakes and additional aero.
Tuning just for horsepower is a bit like taking a supermodel and just giving her a breast job taking her from a 36-24-36 to a 56-24-36. If that floats your boat, I suppose go for it.
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02-04-2021, 04:12 PM
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Thank you captain obvious 
No one said you should not upgrade other components to accompany the increase in power, its just not the topic we are discussing here.
No one said you should not upgrade other components to accompany the increase in power, its just not the topic we are discussing here.
I've said this before, aside from putting your warranty at-risk with a tune, the other thing most people don't consider about a straight-up power tune is that Porsche designed the 911 to drive and perform as a car with all of its components (suspension, chassis, power, steering, brakes) functioning as a synergistic whole.
While tuning the car for more power, will certainly make it faster in a straight line, what happens when you want to turn? Or stop?
This is why folks like Manthey (for Porsche) or Manhart or Dinan (for BMW) have better approaches to "tuning" stock cars, because they take a more wholistic approach to upgrading the car -- from ECU to suspension to brakes and additional aero.
Tuning just for horsepower is a bit like taking a supermodel and just giving her a breast job taking her from a 36-24-36 to a 56-24-36. If that floats your boat, I suppose go for it.
While tuning the car for more power, will certainly make it faster in a straight line, what happens when you want to turn? Or stop?
This is why folks like Manthey (for Porsche) or Manhart or Dinan (for BMW) have better approaches to "tuning" stock cars, because they take a more wholistic approach to upgrading the car -- from ECU to suspension to brakes and additional aero.
Tuning just for horsepower is a bit like taking a supermodel and just giving her a breast job taking her from a 36-24-36 to a 56-24-36. If that floats your boat, I suppose go for it.
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ggreg911 (02-10-2021)
02-04-2021, 04:16 PM
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Maybe you, but I think the majority of folks who do an ECU tune simply stop there.
Otherwise, why do you hear this type of mantra repeated over and over like it's gospel: "Why get the S when you can get just the base and tune it and have even more power than the S"
02-04-2021, 04:30 PM
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I've said this before, aside from putting your warranty at-risk with a tune, the other thing most people don't consider about a straight-up power tune is that Porsche designed the 911 to drive and perform as a car with all of its components (suspension, chassis, power, steering, brakes) functioning as a synergistic whole.
While tuning the car for more power, will certainly make it faster in a straight line, what happens when you want to turn? Or stop?
This is why folks like Manthey (for Porsche) or Manhart or Dinan (for BMW) have better approaches to "tuning" stock cars, because they take a more wholistic approach to upgrading the car -- from ECU to suspension to brakes and additional aero.
Unfortunately tuning a stock vehicle still under warranty seems to be a hot button for some guys.
Tuning just for horsepower is a bit like taking a supermodel and just giving her a breast job taking her from a 36-24-36 to a 56-24-36. If that floats your boat, I suppose go for it.
While tuning the car for more power, will certainly make it faster in a straight line, what happens when you want to turn? Or stop?
This is why folks like Manthey (for Porsche) or Manhart or Dinan (for BMW) have better approaches to "tuning" stock cars, because they take a more wholistic approach to upgrading the car -- from ECU to suspension to brakes and additional aero.
Unfortunately tuning a stock vehicle still under warranty seems to be a hot button for some guys.
Tuning just for horsepower is a bit like taking a supermodel and just giving her a breast job taking her from a 36-24-36 to a 56-24-36. If that floats your boat, I suppose go for it.
A 100/100 bump although very noticeable is really not going to make these brake and suspension mods anywhere close to mandatory.
I have added 100HP or more to Corvettes, Shelby GT500s, etc. and had plenty of brakes and suspension for my purposes but these become personal preferences.
The braking configuration on a stock 992 can easily handle what it has thrown at it with 100 more HP.
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02-05-2021, 06:10 AM
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While you guy are discussing validity of tunes, I am at Sebring PCA 48 Hr , trying to wrap my head around !70 mph at 4 cones at turn 17!
also, one big mod for track, 265/325 Dunlop Race Max 2s, perform perfectly.
also, one big mod for track, 265/325 Dunlop Race Max 2s, perform perfectly.
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02-05-2021, 08:48 AM
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A profound increase in engine power may at some point make suspension and brake mods a consideration if running at the limits while tracking etc.
A 100/100 bump although very noticeable is really not going to make these brake and suspension mods anywhere close to mandatory.
I have added 100HP or more to Corvettes, Shelby GT500s, etc. and had plenty of brakes and suspension for my purposes but these become personal preferences.
The braking configuration on a stock 992 can easily handle what it has thrown at it with 100 more HP.
A 100/100 bump although very noticeable is really not going to make these brake and suspension mods anywhere close to mandatory.
I have added 100HP or more to Corvettes, Shelby GT500s, etc. and had plenty of brakes and suspension for my purposes but these become personal preferences.
The braking configuration on a stock 992 can easily handle what it has thrown at it with 100 more HP.
I was really thinking about doing a tune some day but some of the concerns brought up about detonation, air fuel ratios, etc now have me spooked a bit. I can live with the decision voiding my warranty, but I always assumed that most tunes that don’t go overboard (ie under 100 hp gain) won’t really do much harm to the engine. Now I’m beginning to reconsider
02-05-2021, 09:15 AM
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I think that if you increase HP in this car by less than 100 I imagine it’s designed to handle it without any other changes.
I was really thinking about doing a tune some day but some of the concerns brought up about detonation, air fuel ratios, etc now have me spooked a bit. I can live with the decision voiding my warranty, but I always assumed that most tunes that don’t go overboard (ie under 100 hp gain) won’t really do much harm to the engine. Now I’m beginning to reconsider
I was really thinking about doing a tune some day but some of the concerns brought up about detonation, air fuel ratios, etc now have me spooked a bit. I can live with the decision voiding my warranty, but I always assumed that most tunes that don’t go overboard (ie under 100 hp gain) won’t really do much harm to the engine. Now I’m beginning to reconsider
Performance is the key
02-05-2021, 12:52 PM
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An 80 or 90 ft. lb. torque increase through the rpm range where the car is most often driven is in reality what most of us will value and enjoy on a daily basis.
Piggy backs like the JB4 can do this very simply as well as provide logging and monitors afr, timing, throttle position, and many more for an added level of safety.
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02-05-2021, 03:49 PM
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Do you street those dunlops or are they track only? Do they make that road whine like the R888s?
02-05-2021, 04:08 PM
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I was really thinking about doing a tune some day but some of the concerns brought up about detonation, air fuel ratios, etc now have me spooked a bit. I can live with the decision voiding my warranty, but I always assumed that most tunes that don’t go overboard (ie under 100 hp gain) won’t really do much harm to the engine. Now I’m beginning to reconsider
Do you know what engine has multiple blown/failure threads on though? GT3/RS engines...
02-05-2021, 06:08 PM
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I've said this before, aside from putting your warranty at-risk with a tune, the other thing most people don't consider about a straight-up power tune is that Porsche designed the 911 to drive and perform as a car with all of its components (suspension, chassis, power, steering, brakes) functioning as a synergistic whole.
While tuning the car for more power, will certainly make it faster in a straight line, what happens when you want to turn? Or stop?
This is why folks like Manthey (for Porsche) or Manhart or Dinan (for BMW) have better approaches to "tuning" stock cars, because they take a more wholistic approach to upgrading the car -- from ECU to suspension to brakes and additional aero.
Tuning just for horsepower is a bit like taking a supermodel and just giving her a breast job taking her from a 36-24-36 to a 56-24-36. If that floats your boat, I suppose go for it.
While tuning the car for more power, will certainly make it faster in a straight line, what happens when you want to turn? Or stop?
This is why folks like Manthey (for Porsche) or Manhart or Dinan (for BMW) have better approaches to "tuning" stock cars, because they take a more wholistic approach to upgrading the car -- from ECU to suspension to brakes and additional aero.
Tuning just for horsepower is a bit like taking a supermodel and just giving her a breast job taking her from a 36-24-36 to a 56-24-36. If that floats your boat, I suppose go for it.
But your point about balancing the dynamics of the car is well taken... it's a Porsche hallmark!
02-05-2021, 06:27 PM
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