Fishah

Yea wtf? Some of the most fun I've ever had on track is with 150hp cars. Speed has no relation to how much fun you can have on track....

Now as far as the T, I probably wont track mine simply because I push my cars way too hard on the track. 25-years of racing will do that to me... Need a cheaper car to absolutely shred to within an inch of its life.

Vernin

“the Porsche 911 is not built for the track or racing”
“The 911 T is not built for the track”
My response is; Educate yourself.

How many races have the 911 won? 30,000 victories Porsche 911 Success While it's hard to put an exact number on total race wins, the experts at our Agoura Hills-area Porsche Center estimate that Porsche 911 models have racked up upwards of 30,000 victories (and counting) over the years.

The Carrera in recent years has always been trackable, to do it regularly you do need to do some upgrades, but that is fairly standard. Just track brakes, fluid, and rotors. Then you’re good to goYou seem to hold a great deal of misconceptions about Porsche 911s and the Porsche 911 Carrera T in general.

Track Capability: The Porsche 911 Carrera T is designed with track and canyons in mind. It is lighter and more focused than the standard Carrera.
It features performance upgrades like the sports suspension, rear-axle steering, and a sports exhaust system. These right out the gate make it more agile and better suited for track use.

Handling: The Carrera T has sharp handling characteristics, thanks to its lighter weight and sport-tuned suspension. It is equipped with Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) as standard, which further improves its handling dynamics. The reduced weight and lower ride height compared to a standard Carrera contribute to its responsiveness and cornering abilities.

Performance: While it may not be the fastest 911 variant, the Carrera T is by no means slow. It has a 3.0-liter twin-turbo flat-six engine producing 370 horsepower and 331 lb-ft of torque, capable of accelerating from 0 to 60 mph in just over 4 seconds. This level of performance is more than adequate for track driving and can deliver an exhilarating experience.

Track Enjoyment: driving on the track is about having fun, not driving the fastest car. Often times people cannon even get the most out of a slower car, much less a faster car. Driving on the track is about enjoying how the car feels, and improving driving skills. The Carrera T was built mainly for canyon carving, so it does extremely well in tight corners on the track. Even if it is crowded at the track, you will still be able to have some fun and keep up with cars. even with no traffic on the track you then have the opportunity to explore the car's limits safely which is part of what makes track days enjoyable.

TDLR: The Porsche 911 Carrera T I able to provide a fun and engaging platform to get into driving on the track. Sure it will not be as extreme as a 911 GT3 or other variants, but it will be enough for me, and many others. All the tech, the manual transmission, and cornering and RWS and everything make it truly good on the track.

Fishah

Did ChatGPT write that?

pk_fire

I'm curious what you think would be a capable track car then? There's not much coming off production lines that would be leagues better other than factory race cars. Most track specials from other manufacturers are pretty compromised. The T and the 911 in general is a really good balance of street/track usability and most people would be hard pressed to take the 911 to it's limits on the track regardless.

Fishah

I agree that the T is not a "track car" per-se. It's a sports car for the street, that will act and perform just fine on the track at 8 or 9/10ths. There's no reason to suggest that a T is not suitable for the track because it's too slow or bloated. I've tracked cars like the Oldsmobile Cutlass, the Chevy Caprice, Honda Accord and Ford Festiva. Anything can be fun on the track.

The T does not however have the brakes, the cooling, the parts or the engine oil management systems that true track focused cars would have. Additionally Porsche will not warranty a T for track-related failures.

If you want a track weapon, the obviously the Porsche GT cars are far more suitable because they're track-prepared.

Additionally, you can get track-focused weapons from other manufacturers for far less money in all different performance and price bands. A few examples:

- Miata
- GR86
- GR Corolla
- Emira/Elise
- Camaro ZL1
- Vette Z06
- Ariel Atom

All of these would be "better" than a T on track as they're built to be hammered at 10/10ths, and GM will even warranty their cars for track use.

But again, to suggest the T is not suitable for the track in the way that a Ford Econoline Van is not suitable for the track (slow, vague, heavy) is simply not true. It will behave fine on a circuit and the driver will have a blast.

vasmir

I run in point-by groups; between this and the 1M I've been doing track or auto-x for ten years or so.
Laguna Seca rules! First time with a 911 on the track. Compared to the 1M: I found the car well balanced in the braking zones, very easy to adjust through entry and mid corner with the brake/throttle. Took a few laps to get used to deeper trail braking, getting the weight transferred to the real wheels quickly, and powering out of turns. The stock brakes weren't really an issue for me. A lot less oversteer than I expected. The blackmill wind buffeting wings I had worked very well. Beforehand I remember thinking I may not be able to hear the engine/exhaust very well with the windows down on the track (as a shift/RPM indicator), but the engine note came through clearly. Ran all day in Sport Plus.
Maybe the one thing I didn't love was using the right scroll wheel on the steering wheel to mark start/lap in the sport chrono - more than once I accidentally scrolled the wheel before hitting it, and I'd miss resetting the lap.
My only real complaint was the cost of track day insurance!
Overall was a blast. 5/5 highly recommend.

Vernin

what is that

Scott P

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried-get in an HPDE on a track and just watch the much less powered GTi's, Miatas and Caymans climb all over you because they know how to drive those cars getting the most out of them they can vs. you in a car with less experience. I can't imagine NOT driving my T on the track, I've done it 3x and am scheduled for 2 more times (so far) at Watkins Glen International.

pk_fire

Don't knock on the track vans

Scott P

Contact your carrier to see if they'll cover on-track damage. I ran 2x last year assuming I needed track insurance then this Spring contacted AAA (carrier) about covering on track and they said yes as long as it's not a speed contest

defiant2

@Scott P That is fantastic! Did they put in writing or just over the phone? If in writing, I may switch to your company. Thanks!

Vernin

Respectfully, I don't agree with most of what you have in here, some I agree with yes but; I have had things warrantied from track use. on my T.

That is like saying the Cayman is not a track car even tho some people take them and make them track cars gutting them or not and they have a whole race series, they don't have a dry sump, or any GT stuff, but still do amazing around the track.
Id go as far as to say, by your definition the Turbo, GTS, S, T, and Base are not Track cars then with your description, only the GT2, GT3, and GT3RS are "Track Cars" then.

The T does not however have the brakes, the cooling, the parts or the engine oil management systems that true track-focused cars would have. Additionally, Porsche will not warranty a T for track-related failures.
It does have the brakes and cooling. you can track a weekend with no problem if you know what you are doing. To track reliably It is better to get track brake rotors and fluid. But the 996 GT3 steel brakes were lacking as well. does that make it not a track car? Most people had to replace the fluid, rotors, and pads to AP or gyrodisk or the big turbo brake kit. To track any Porsche Reliably.
Miattas warranty is voided so I have heard when they are tracked.
The T's hardware and components might not last as long on the track, as a GT car but still will not fail to hold up to Track abuse. The Carrera T like all Carreras Caymans and Boxsters will not be going the speeds requiring a dry sump and be tracked and abused in the way the GT cars are. SOme could argue they will last a tiny bit longer than GT cars since they don't get abused as hard even if the quality is not GT level.

Flat6Motorsports

I think it's certainly set-up as the enthusiasts weekend/backroad car but pretty much any Porsche sports car makes for a good track car. Particularly when you have the T performance bits.

I was doing some datalogging this weekend, ended up passing a GT4 RS on a Stage 1 tune, otherwise stock with Cup 2 tires on. Pretty remarkable how these punch out of the box, particularly with some light mods.

Vernin

exactly man, I am going to watch the video that is going to be insane

Flat6Motorsports

Those two laps were just after the point by, nothing eventful, just a point by.

A couple other thoughts here on track if you care to hear me happing about it stock